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Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

From: Jack Brewer <brewer.jack.nul>
Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 14:26:21 -0700 (PDT)
Archived: Sun, 20 May 2012 17:56:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

>From: James Carrion <james_carrion.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:46:53 -0600
>Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told


>When have I ever claimed that UFOs do not exist?

>My research is focused on 1947, specifically the period that
>covers Maury Island, Kenneth Arnold and Roswell. What happened
>before and what happened after is not within my scope of
>research as unlike most Ufologists and believers, I don't throw
>all the evidence in one large multi-millennium bucket from which
>one tries to explain the phenomenon.

I have read what I feel to be a significant portion of work
composed by James Carrion, as well as viewed video footage of
his public presentations. Some of it I have studied rather
lengthily, allowing myself ample time and attention to mentally
digest and process the information. I therefore feel reasonably
qualified to offer some comments about the remarks and arguments
that commonly ensue when the man's work is discussed.

I have come to realize a discussion participant is unfamiliar
with Carrion's work when they object based primarily on the
grounds that Carrion's hypothesis does not account for the many
international UFO sightings reported throughout history. The
fact of the matter is that in Carrion's essay titled, New
Avenues For UFO Research, and his presentation, Russian
Espionage And UFOs, of which I am quite familiar with each, he
emphasizes that his hypothesis does not attempt to account for
all UFO reports. He additionally clarifies that more research is
required, as well as qualifies other areas of interest may be
equally applicable and valid to other specific circumstances.
Individuals who object to Carrion's work based on implications
and/or outright accusations he fails in explaining all UFO
sightings therefore simply demonstrate a lack of understanding
the hypothesis.

I evaluate the work of James Carrion to be interesting and well
conducted, particularly in the manner he establishes factual
circumstances via authenticated documents and similar such
practices recognized as credible by the professional research
community. Carrion then responsibly differentiates between those
facts and what he suspects they may indicate. I am strongly of
the opinion the UFO research community could use many more such
examples. I am also of the opinion that when a former
intelligence analyst and former MUFON international director
chooses to invest his resources in conducting and publishing
UFO-related research, he should be encouraged to continue.

If there is a constructive criticism I might offer James Carrion
about presenting his research, it would be that a more effective
job might be done in clarifying exactly what he is suggesting
for consideration as he progresses through citing factual
circumstances. I empathize that over time and as an individual
becomes increasingly involved in their research, they might find
it difficult to view the situation with 'beginner's mind, ' so
to speak, resulting in the risk of taking it for granted that
certain circumstances are self-explanatory. However, additional
explanation might be helpful when dealing with such subject
matter as Carrion finds of interest. I suspect that Carrion
might often be talking over the levels of experience and
comprehension of a majority of his audience.

Again, though, I indeed empathize with the fact the man is
attempting to reasonably concisely combine matters of such
complex topics as military strategy, conditioned belief systems
and cultural evolution into single sittings, and not only are
many in direct opposition to considering such perspectives at
all in the context of ufology, but the subject matter requires
sustained and deep attention. So while Carrion might arguably
present the information a bit more understandably by summarizing
his thoughts a little more often, he cannot be responsible for
the amount of effort - or lack thereof - the rest of us invest
in absorbing his work.

Lastly, if anyone cares to discuss the actual points presented
in the previously mentioned, "New Avenues for UFO Research" or
"Russian Espionage and UFOs," I would be willing to do so. To
try to clarify, I am not interested in discussing the life of
James Carrion, debating his possible beliefs or judging his
alleged motives. I am, however, willing to discuss specific
points contained within his work with individuals who have
reviewed the work to an extent they can competently and
intelligently discuss it.


Jack Brewer

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