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Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

From: James Carrion <jcarrion.nul
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 10:34:50 -0300
Archived: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:40:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told


>From: Jack Brewer <brewer.jack.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 14:26:21 -0700 (PDT)
>Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

>>From: James Carrion <james_carrion.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:46:53 -0600
>>Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

><snip>

>>>When have I ever claimed that UFOs do not exist?

>>My research is focused on 1947, specifically the period that
>>covers Maury Island, Kenneth Arnold and Roswell. What happened
>>before and what happened after is not within my scope of
>>research as unlike most Ufologists and believers, I don't throw
>>all the evidence in one large multi-millennium bucket from which
>one tries to explain the phenomenon.

>I have read what I feel to be a significant portion of work
>composed by James Carrion, as well as viewed video footage of
>his public presentations. Some of it I have studied rather
>lengthily, allowing myself ample time and attention to mentally
>digest and process the information. I therefore feel reasonably
>qualified to offer some comments about the remarks and arguments
>that commonly ensue when the man's work is discussed.

>I have come to realize a discussion participant is unfamiliar
>with Carrion's work when they object based primarily on the
>grounds that Carrion's hypothesis does not account for the many
>international UFO sightings reported throughout history. The
>fact of the matter is that in Carrion's essay titled, New
>Avenues For UFO Research, and his presentation, Russian
>Espionage And UFOs, of which I am quite familiar with each, he
>emphasizes that his hypothesis does not attempt to account for
>all UFO reports. He additionally clarifies that more research is
>required, as well as qualifies other areas of interest may be
>equally applicable and valid to other specific circumstances.
>Individuals who object to Carrion's work based on implications
>and/or outright accusations he fails in explaining all UFO
>sightings therefore simply demonstrate a lack of understanding
>the hypothesis.

>I evaluate the work of James Carrion to be interesting and well
>conducted, particularly in the manner he establishes factual
>circumstances via authenticated documents and similar such
>practices recognized as credible by the professional research
>community. Carrion then responsibly differentiates between those
>facts and what he suspects they may indicate. I am strongly of
>the opinion the UFO research community could use many more such
>examples. I am also of the opinion that when a former
>intelligence analyst and former MUFON international director
>chooses to invest his resources in conducting and publishing
>UFO-related research, he should be encouraged to continue.

>If there is a constructive criticism I might offer James Carrion
>about presenting his research, it would be that a more effective
>job might be done in clarifying exactly what he is suggesting
>for consideration as he progresses through citing factual
>circumstances. I empathize that over time and as an individual
>becomes increasingly involved in their research, they might find
>it difficult to view the situation with 'beginner's mind, ' so
>to speak, resulting in the risk of taking it for granted that
>certain circumstances are self-explanatory. However, additional
>explanation might be helpful when dealing with such subject
>matter as Carrion finds of interest. I suspect that Carrion
>might often be talking over the levels of experience and
>comprehension of a majority of his audience.

>Again, though, I indeed empathize with the fact the man is
>attempting to reasonably concisely combine matters of such
>complex topics as military strategy, conditioned belief systems
>and cultural evolution into single sittings, and not only are
>many in direct opposition to considering such perspectives at
>all in the context of ufology, but the subject matter requires
>sustained and deep attention. So while Carrion might arguably
>present the information a bit more understandably by summarizing
>his thoughts a little more often, he cannot be responsible for
>the amount of effort - or lack thereof - the rest of us invest
>in absorbing his work.

>Lastly, if anyone cares to discuss the actual points presented
>in the previously mentioned, "New Avenues for UFO Research" or
>"Russian Espionage and UFOs," I would be willing to do so. To
>try to clarify, I am not interested in discussing the life of
>James Carrion, debating his possible beliefs or judging his
>alleged motives. I am, however, willing to discuss specific
>points contained within his work with individuals who have
>reviewed the work to an extent they can competently and
>intelligently discuss it.


Hi Jack,

I appreciate your measured approach to my research and your
constructive criticism. I will try and outline my theory as
concisely as possible. Evidence to substantiate and ultimately
prove the theory will be posted on my web site.

In view of the perceived deep penetration by subversive
Communist forces of American society and Governing organizations
and because of the blustering attitude of the Soviet Union that
was anticipated to result in a third world war between the East
and West bloc of nations, concerned Americans came together to
decide how to deal with this multifaceted threat. The planning
for this operation probably began in late 1946. The principal
element involved was the X2 counterintelligence branch of the
OSS/CIG which morphed into the Office of Special Operations of
the CIA. The principal planner was Hoyt Vandenberg but was aided
by a number of colleagues both inside and outside of Government.

Using the 1946 Ghost Rockets as the precedent that caused the US
much concern, these planners decided to deceive the Soviets into
believing that their penetration of the US was not as deep as
the Soviets thought. The planners needed a real Top Secret
Research project that could be used as the basis of a non-
existent project to convince the Soviets that the US had a
"superweapon" that could deal a deadly blow to the Soviet
Mainland. They found the perfect cover story with "Project
Seal", a real classified research project designed to create
artificial Tsunamis, run by a New Zealand scientist who was
known for not only being an expert in hydrodynamics but also
aerodynamics, which led to the speculation of an airborne weapon
on the part of the Press.  The Soviets would know nothing about
it because it was developed outside the US and "outside the
reaches of Soviet Espionage" (quote from newspaper article on
the top secret weapons project in June 1947).

Two weeks after this "airborne superweapon" broke, a flurry of
reports from the American Northwest seemed to confirm that the
Americans were in possession of incredible airborne technology.
Not only were many normal citizens witnessing these incredible
objects, but the American military forces were hard at work
trying to convince that they were engaging in a cover up of
physical evidence. Roswell was one of these "cover ups" but a
review of other alleged crashed saucers during this time show a
similar pattern of cover up.

"Flying Saucer" witnesses were kept under constant
counterintelligence surveillance to observe which individuals
and organizations expressed an interest. These "canary traps"
would help identify the principle subversive forces at work. In
other words, this operation was one of the first Cold War
counterintelligence offensives conducted. To deceive the Soviets
required deceiving the American public first, hence the birth of
the modern day UFO era.

To pull off the operation, the planners needed the willing
cooperation and/or manipulated cooperation of the American
Press. To make the superweapon convincing, it was important that
normal US citizens be the ones to initially report their
sightings. Key players within the newswire organizations and
newspapers were recruited or manipulated into the news frenzy.
The sensational news stories could be used as a "Gardening"
technique to break the Soviet code after the existing Venona
Project decoding was no longer effective. Gardening originated
in WW2 when the British planted false news stories in the Press
that they knew the Germans would be interested in and their
agents would encode and send back to HQ. Knowing what was
encoded would help the British code breakers at Bletchley Park
reverse engineer the encoding system.

The operation succeeded. Which spies and organizations were
outed by the operation is not  completely known (but the records
are sitting in classified archives) and these elements were
quietly eliminated either by outright deportation, movement to
positions of less trust and prosecution of spy rings.

A hot war was avoided and the cold war years ensued.





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