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Re: Problems With von Neumann Replicators

From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:15:07 +0100
Archived: Tue, 22 May 2012 11:04:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Problems With von Neumann Replicators


>From: Kentaro Mori <kentaro.mori.nul>
>Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 10:28:38 -0300
>To: post.nul
>Subject: Re: Problems With von Neumann Replicators

>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 17:17:15 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Problems With von Neumann Replicators

<snip>

>No matter what form a civilization my undertake, the single
>fundamental piece of Science as we know it are the laws of
>thermodynamics. They would use energy. Their engineered,
>intelligent use of energy would be noticeable, for instance -
>such as the energy pattern of a Dyson sphere.

>Of course, one could suggest a sufficiently advanced
>civilization would be so efficient in its use of energy that it
>would not be distinguishable from natural entropy. It may well
>be, but then almost by definition such a civilization would be
>equivalent to a non-existent civilization.

>Perhaps some of the standing puzzles of astrophysics may be
>answered in fact by teeming Galactic civilizations - dark matter
>could be the result to their work, perhaps. But again, the fact
>we can model and understand so much of the whole Universe
>without resorting to artificial constructs is the point of
>asking "where are they?".

><snip>

>>And as to `signs of intelligent life in the Universe' - we just
>>don't know what to look for, or how to analyse what we already
>>see. At the moment we simply assume that all astronomical
>>events are 'natural' - that assumption could be wildy wrong.

>Indeed, but again, the fact we have been working with that
>assumption and been so successful in understanding and
>predicting astronomical observations billions of light years
>around us is the point of Fermi's paradox. The discovery of
>pulsars is one such example: first suggested as signaling
>"Little green men", natural explanations for them quickly became
>better working hypothesis and now no one thinks they are
>artificial.

<snip>

Hi Kentaro

You've taken aboard a whole load of mainstream science
presumptions.

Inflation, Black Holes, Dark Matter, Dark Energy - all arise
from problems inherent in the `Big Bang' theory - and all were
invented in turn to solve a problem created by the previous
invention. Each invention, although enthusiastically `approved'
by the mainstream, has left cosmology in a bigger mess than
before, because none of the inventions are supported by
observation - quite the opposite.

Younger scientists are now openly saying that they don't believe
a word of it - none at all. Tom Van Flandern summarised many of
the objections in this paper: 'The Top 30 Problems With The Big
Bang':

http://www.metaresearch.org/cosmology/BB-top-30.asp

And a more recent summary was posted here a while ago:

http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2012/jan/m21-002.shtml

'The New Philosophy Of Cosmology'

[BTW that has a reference to both Fermi's Paradox _and_ von
Neumann replicators, which I don't remember noticing at the
time,]

So, discounting all the invented stuff, it seems we know very
little about the universe. For example, only the other day all
theories concerning the most energetic `cosmic rays' were shot
down by the latest observations. So they're another mystery.
Maybe large-scale engineering projects?


Cheers

Ray D




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