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Re: Problems With von Neumann Replicators

From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:15:07 +0100
Archived: Tue, 22 May 2012 11:04:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Problems With von Neumann Replicators

>From: Kentaro Mori <kentaro.mori.nul>
>Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 10:28:38 -0300
>To: post.nul
>Subject: Re: Problems With von Neumann Replicators

>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 17:17:15 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Problems With von Neumann Replicators


>No matter what form a civilization my undertake, the single
>fundamental piece of Science as we know it are the laws of
>thermodynamics. They would use energy. Their engineered,
>intelligent use of energy would be noticeable, for instance -
>such as the energy pattern of a Dyson sphere.

>Of course, one could suggest a sufficiently advanced
>civilization would be so efficient in its use of energy that it
>would not be distinguishable from natural entropy. It may well
>be, but then almost by definition such a civilization would be
>equivalent to a non-existent civilization.

>Perhaps some of the standing puzzles of astrophysics may be
>answered in fact by teeming Galactic civilizations - dark matter
>could be the result to their work, perhaps. But again, the fact
>we can model and understand so much of the whole Universe
>without resorting to artificial constructs is the point of
>asking "where are they?".


>>And as to `signs of intelligent life in the Universe' - we just
>>don't know what to look for, or how to analyse what we already
>>see. At the moment we simply assume that all astronomical
>>events are 'natural' - that assumption could be wildy wrong.

>Indeed, but again, the fact we have been working with that
>assumption and been so successful in understanding and
>predicting astronomical observations billions of light years
>around us is the point of Fermi's paradox. The discovery of
>pulsars is one such example: first suggested as signaling
>"Little green men", natural explanations for them quickly became
>better working hypothesis and now no one thinks they are


Hi Kentaro

You've taken aboard a whole load of mainstream science

Inflation, Black Holes, Dark Matter, Dark Energy - all arise
from problems inherent in the `Big Bang' theory - and all were
invented in turn to solve a problem created by the previous
invention. Each invention, although enthusiastically `approved'
by the mainstream, has left cosmology in a bigger mess than
before, because none of the inventions are supported by
observation - quite the opposite.

Younger scientists are now openly saying that they don't believe
a word of it - none at all. Tom Van Flandern summarised many of
the objections in this paper: 'The Top 30 Problems With The Big


And a more recent summary was posted here a while ago:


'The New Philosophy Of Cosmology'

[BTW that has a reference to both Fermi's Paradox _and_ von
Neumann replicators, which I don't remember noticing at the

So, discounting all the invented stuff, it seems we know very
little about the universe. For example, only the other day all
theories concerning the most energetic `cosmic rays' were shot
down by the latest observations. So they're another mystery.
Maybe large-scale engineering projects?


Ray D

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