From: Eugene Frison <cthulhu_calls.nul> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:42:12 -0500 Archived: Tue, 22 May 2012 11:06:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary >From: Cathy Reason <Cathym.nul> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul> >Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 15:34:08 +0100 >Subject: Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary >>From: Eugene Frison <cthulhu_calls.nul> >>To: <post.nul> >>Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 17:27:35 -0500 >>Subject: Re: Ufology And Psychiatry - Summary >>I have not admitted that the only type of measurements ever taken >>during psychological research are operationalized measures, and >>based on proxy notions to boot. >Then you are simply wrong. See: >www.yorku.ca/christo/papers/operat.htm No. Not wrong at all. This is just a long, long, long piece that describes the problems with psychology's use of operationalized measures - of it's confusing proxy notions of things when using such measurements. I have never argued against the notion that this is, indeed, a very widespread problem within psychological research. You are again trying to make it look like I am arguing against well established fact. This lengthy paper which you are referencing merely describes in great detail what was never in contention during the discussion, i. e. psychological research regularly confuses proxy notions of measurement. This is a great paper describing the problem but I never argued against this - ever. I still have seen nothing that says every time psychological research uses an operationalized measurement it confuses proxy notions of things. The problem is extensive, to be sure, but I still don't see it stated anywhere that it _always_ confuses proxy notions of things when using operationalized measurements. Anyway, I said you may have a valid point here. I agreed you _may_ be correct regarding this. Just that I have not come across anything that states psychological research makes confused proxy notions of things _every_ time it attempts to make an operationalized measurement. But psychological research uses more than operationalized types of measurement. Operationalized measurements are only one type of measurement taken during psychological research. It is fact that psychological research uses controlled empirical experimentation and observation and makes extensive use of other types of measurement, such as statistical analysis. Anyone can prove this very important point to themselves in just a few minutes of easy research. In just half an hour, I have located more than a hundred papers covering psychological research's use of statistical analysis when taking measurements of its observations. Here are just a couple to get you started: Cohen, B. H. (2007) Explaining Psychological Statistics, 3rd Edition (Wiley) Howell, D. (2009) Statistical Methods for Psychology, International Edition (Wadsworth) Bottom line: hundreds of empirical controlled experiments. Thousands of observations. Nothing to do with operationalized measurements of any type. All of these experiments both repeatable and reproducible. Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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