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Re: Problems With von Neumann Replicators

From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:08:11 +0100
Archived: Thu, 24 May 2012 18:48:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Problems With von Neumann Replicators


>From: Kentaro Mori <kentaro.mori.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 10:09:22 -0300
>Subject: Re: Problems With von Neumann Replicators

>>From: Robert Powell <rpowell.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 16:24:43 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Problems With von Neumann Replicators

>>>From: Kentaro Mori<kentaro.mori.nul>
>>>Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 14:56:21 -0300
>>>To: post.nul
>>>Subject: Re: Problems With von Neumann Replicators

>>>That's Fermi's Paradox. It was formulated almost as soon as
>>>advances in cosmology established the Universe is billions of
>>>years old, and that there are billions and billions of galaxies
>>>as large or even larger than ours.

>>>http://tinyurl.com/2hg2qn

><snip>

>>>the fact we cannot see any obvious signs
>>>of intelligente life in the Universe elsewhere - besides the
>>>'controversial' UFO evidence - must mean they are either
>>>deliberately hiding or that they don't exist.

>>Kentori, why is "they are deliberately hiding" not a reasonable
>>hypothesis?

>Simply stated, because they must _all_, without exception, be
>deliberately hiding. A single civilization with a colonization
>program for the Galaxy could be present in all solar systems and
>engineer its structure and much more in a few million years. Even
>if all others do not choose this path, it just takes one in the
>whole history of our Galaxy to do the job. And yet, we cannot see
>clear evidence of that. This question is the problem for mostly
>all answers to Fermi's paradox.

Once upon a time...

One possible answer (as I've mentioned here before) might be
that there is a very early wave of "colonial" expansion in the
first few billion years of the universe which, as it were,
rapidly sweeps up all emerging cultures. A further development
of this idea would be that the expansion propagates cosmic re-
engineering on such a scale that it becomes impossible to
distinguish a pure product of "natural" physics from one of
intelligent technology (or, the distinction becomes
epistemologically meaningless).

If this expansion wave is superluminal (wormholes, exotic
drives, whatever) then you can think of this as a sort of
"inflationary ETH", in which the early entropic "ripples" of
intelligence that would have been visible on the fabric of the
early cosmos have been nonlocally "smoothed away", leaving us
staring at a flat prospect that appears devoid of significant
non-natural features. In short, the merit of such a theory is
that it re-sets the gauge to a relatively recent epoch.

This would make us "special" only in the sense that we have
arisen, like perhaps many other late civilisations, after the
inflationary wave has passed through, when the re-engineered
cosmos has settled into a Phase 2. The emerging worlds of this
Phase 2 have to start anew, at sub-light speed, from a
relatively recent common zero-point, wherever in the cosmos they
are, which helps to explain why few of us (or even none of us)
have yet managed to encounter each other.

Meanwhile the Original Intelligence of Phase 1 has since gone on
to absorb many other universes, leaving this one already
transformed, metabolised, used up and forgotten as of no more
consequence, perhaps, than a radioactive waste heap. But the
implication is that the products of alien technology are all
around, everywhere we look, and that this technology directly or
indirectly generated the precursors of us.

The End.

Martin



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