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Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 13:27:33 +0100
Archived: Wed, 30 May 2012 18:34:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

>From: Don Ecsedy <don.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:12:49 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told


>So, we know this is not referring to Arnold's report of sighting
>the amber or bronze colored small disks, but the Cascades
>sighting of June 24, 1947.

>What is really of interest here - and correct me if I am wrong -
>but in 1947 all of the official statements and all the parties
>interviewed, including Arnold, said he had left for Tacoma on
>the 30th, not the 29th. It is only in The Coming of the Saucers
>that Arnold says it was the 29th.

>So, where did the Air Force and the Navy get July 29th?

Hello Don

Excuse me for butting in, but this is an interesting point. I
hadn't noticed it before. You seem to be right, e.g. the FBI
interview report from SAC Butte does say that Arnold told him he
"left for Tacoma" on July 30, whereas Arnold's book gives July
29. Given that Arnold was writing several years later and was
not immune to other small date errors we should probably give
the benefit of the doubt to the near-contemporary documents.

IMO this is made surer by the fact that, whichever day it was,
he flew out very early (5:30 am he said), so early that he
couldn't get fuel at Boise and would have to stop over at La
Grande to top up (which he did) before going on via Chehalis to
Tacoma. This was a significant fact for him in relation to the
odd business of the Tacoma hotel room because it convinced him
that nobody could have seen him leave Boise (and he had
advertised no plan to do so). So this seems well-established.
But he wrote a letter to Palmer (covering transmittal of a copy
of his AF letter) dated July 29, when supposedly he would have
been in the air en route to Tacoma. The flight to Tacoma took
all day (even starting at 5:30 he didn't make Barry's Airport
until dusk, he said) and would leave no time for typing or
posting letters. So it would make sense that he wrote to Palmer
from home on July 29 and left for Tacoma the next morning.

As for where the Analysis of Flying Object Incidents got July 29
from, I suspect this is just a mistaken association :

"On 29 July 1947, Kenneth Arnold, while flying near Tacoma,
Washington, reported a formation of flying objects. The sketch
of their shape corresponds closely to that shown in the
photographs made by Mr. Rhoads. On the same day, two U.S. Air
Force pilots at Hamilton Field reported two flying disks
trailing a P-80, following it toward Oakland, California."

I know of no drawing made by Arnold of the La Grande "ducks".
This appears to refer to the June 24 sighting sketch, as you
suggest, as does the reference to the Rhodes photos which we
know were compared by Arnold to his objects. But that sighting
was not "near Tacoma". However Tacoma was where the Rhodes photo
was shown to Arnold by Brown & Davidson who came from Hamilton

I suspect someone just misread the file (along with William
Rhodes' name) and, having conceived a mistaken association with
the Hamilton Field incident because of the Brown & Davidson
connection and the near-miss date, bracketed a bogus reference
to Arnold in with the Hamilton Field case of July 29, which was
a significant Blue Book unknown (#69 in the final tally) and
very influential inside ATIC at the time, as well as becoming a
major public case (another at the same base on the previous day
also made the papers).

Martin Shough

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