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Roswell & Flying Saucers [was: The Greatest Lie...]

From: Stanton T. Friedman <fsphys.nul>
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 12:18:19 -0300
Archived: Thu, 31 May 2012 08:34:08 -0400
Subject: Roswell & Flying Saucers [was: The Greatest Lie...]


>From: James Carrion <jcarrion.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 09:03:57 -0300
>Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

>>From: Stanton T. Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 20:31:33 -0300
>>Subject: Re: Flying Saucers - The Greatest Lie Ever Told

>>James,

>>It seems to me you are not really familiar with the Roswell
>>evidence. Your Gomer Pyle remark was off the wall. Have you
>>listened to the first hand testimony of 27 witnesses on
>>Recollections Of Roswell?

>>There was clear chain of command activity. Blanchard became a 4
>>star general and was Vice-Chief of Staff of USAF when he died of
>>a massive heart attack. He certainly wasn't rewarded for
>>stupidity.

>>Listen to Retired General T.J. Dubose... Just who did what that
>>led to your remark. You have created scenarios without evidence.

>>Not a good way to proceed if you want to examine data.

>Stan,

>The one thing that you and all of the other Roswell "experts" on
>this List seem to agree with me on is that the Roswell Press
>release was ordered by the "chain of command". What we differ on
>is why? Those who are pro-alien saucer believe it was to contain
>the story by debunking it. My view is that it was part of a
>counterintelligence deception operation.

>As far as Dubose is concerned, he comes into the picture after
>the initial press release was sent out announcing to the world
>the 509th was in possession of a disc. It is that initial press
>release and the containment theory that don't make an ounce of
>sense. Gildas believes this containment theory to be an
>intelligent emergency action and Jerry believes it to be a Gomer
>Pyle screw up. It seems that amongst yourselves (Roswell
>experts), the only thing you can collectively agree on is you
>really don't like hearing non alien theories for your bread and
>pudding.


James, I really can't follow your reasoning. I think you are
starting with a false premise namely that the US was very
worried in 1947 about a Stalin attack.

_Not_ true.

The cold war was on, but the wheels in DC didn't expect the USSR
to have the atomic bomb until well into the 1950s and that
includes general Leslie Groves.

Check the press.

Furthermore it was believed - wrongly - that even if they got
the bomb thay had no long distance bombers for delivering it to
attack the USA.

It should further be noted that the decision to build the
Distant Early Warning line of radars was made at a special
Summer Study group meeting at MIT in 1952... 5 years after
Roswell.

One of the scariest documents I have seen was a 1951 NSC memo
stating that the Russians had made more progress in the
development of nuclear weapons and methods for delivering them
in the past 18 months, than had been expected for 5 years.

You seem to forget that Brazel showed strange wrekcage to his
neighbors, the Proctors and his other neighbors at the Wade
General Store in Corona on Saturday July 5. That is where he
heard about flying saucers and a reward for finding wreckage.
That is when it was suggested he go to the sherrif's office in
Roswell which he did on July 6.

Major Marcel examined the wreckage, told his boss and was sent
out to Brazel's ranch because there was so much of it. He was
told to take a CIC man with him. His worry was who was spying on
the 509th.

Are you really suggesting there was no strange wreckage in the
big debris field on the ranch? So everybody was lying including
the rancher, his son, Marcel and his son, the Proctors, the
people in Corona, the sheriff and his family?

Why was Brazel picked up on his ranch and brought back to town
and fed a new story by the Army?

Yes, I worked hard to find DuBose and meet with him.He took the
call from Ramey's boss general McMullen saying to get the press
off their backs, send wreckage up to Washington that day with
one of his Colonel couriers, and never talk about it again. I
had no idea what he would say.

Is this all fantasy and lies?

Are you really saying there was no debris field of strange
material?

Don't forget Blanchard had Brazel's material on Sunday July 6.

The news story went out on the 8th with the correcting story
going out a few hours later. Both are on the Front page of the
LA Examiner on July 8.

Well done!!

I had been lecturing about Flying Saucers since 1967. I didn't
need Roswell, or any story I couldn't back up with facts.

It would appear that your bread and pudding is coming only from
ceative debunking ignoring much of the data


Stan Friedman




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