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Re: Ancient Aliens Debunked

From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 17:24:42 -0400
Archived: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:29:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Ancient Aliens Debunked

>From: Dave Haith <visions1.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates <post.nul>
>Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 00:38:48 +0100
>Subject: Ancient Aliens Debunked


>I know the flaws in Von Daniken's works have been exposed years
>ago - all that stuff about UFO landing strips (since when have
>saucers needed runways?) and models of ancient planes which are
>obviously stylised birds.

>But I've fondly clung to the unsolveable mysteries of gigantic
>stone monuments that couldn't be moved without some lost

>So when I settled down to watch this debunk of Ancient Aliens I
>expected it to be the usual narrow minded cherry picking from
>the sceptical crowd who can't think out of the box.

>I haven't watched all three hours yet but I found myself
>agreeing with just about all I viewed.

>I'm still not totally convinced that 800 ton blocks could have
>been moved just by brute force and cut to such precision with
>primitive tools - but who knows?

>I certainly don't anymore......

>I do know it doesn't need aliens to make complex crop formations
>so maybe the good old human race can rustle up a pyramid or two
>with enough slaves to do the work.....

>For once I consider a sceptical piece provides a very valid
>'balance' to a controversial TV series.

>But I'm interested whether others think so too.

I finally got around to watching the video. On the whole, it was
good and I think it should be watched by anyone who has seen the
Ancient Aliens series. Some reasonable alternatives to alien
origins were presented. But I think some of its conclusions are
also unlikely given information not discussed by either source.

Llyod Pye makes the point that given the three Great Pyramids
were constructed in about 100 years, it would have required
fitting a stone every 8.5 minutes, 24/7, with no down time. The
stones are from 10 tons up to 50 tons. Could the proposed
internal ramp have handled such a rate?  Assuming the man-power
was available, laying one stone of that size every 8.5 minutes
for 100 years is hard to imagine without the use of some
additional sophisticated technology.


Pye also discusses the stonework at Sacsayhuaman, Peru. The
following is largely quoted from his page at


Archaeologists say that hard rock hammered the stones into shape
and polished them. When granite is polished, the softer elements
in the rock wear down first, leaving microscopic and near
microscopic quartz crystals protruding. When a "wedging"
technique is used (when a wedge is fed into a crack or groove in
the stone and used as leverage to fracture it), the direction of
the fracture can't be controlled.

Dr. Ivan Watkins, a Professor of Geology at St. Cloud University
in  Minnesota says that pounding, hammering, grinding, polishing
with abrasives, and wedging, just don't match up with what he
sees under the microscope. The stone is smooth, microscopically
slick and even. The explanation given by Watkins is that heat
can melt quartz fragments into a glaze that fills in the
irregularities, like a ceramic glaze. The exact same sort of
"melting" effect  is produced by modern "thermal disaggregation"
technology, essentially the focused heat found in lasers, which
can be used to cut stone. So who did it, ancient aliens or

Switching topics, I thought if his argument about UFOs in art
had been taken as far as it could have been, it might have
supported the Ancient Aliens interpretation. He argues that
medieval art is nothing but religious art, i.e., a circle of
angels was drawn to look like a disc. But where did the idea of
a circle of angels come from? One could argue that an actual
disc object inspired the circle of angels, since the latter was
something more familiar to religious artists. So who inspired
the drawings, aliens in craft or religious imagery.

Switching topics again, with respect to the Mitchell-Hedges
crystal skull, he talks of the deceit surrounding the skull's
acquisition and movements, but fails to mention a physical
analysis by Hewlet-Packard which found it was made out of a
single block of natural quartz crystal. There were no tool marks
under high magnification, so it was not a modern creation. The
conclusion was it had been made by hand over a period of several
generations. Also, the jaw was a separate piece that had been
cut from the same crystal - apparently almost impossible to do.
One scientist concluded that for technical reasons, the skull
should not exist. Any errors would have required starting over.
Who had the expertise to grind and polish a single block that
size - ancient aliens or multiple humans over generations?

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