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Re: Why 'Disclosure' Probably Won't Happen

From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:22:44 -0400
Archived: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 10:39:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Why 'Disclosure' Probably Won't Happen

>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:22:11 +0100
>Subject: Re: Why 'Disclosure' Probably Won't Happen

>>From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:16:48 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Why 'Disclosure' Probably Won't Happen

>>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>>>Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:20:16 +0100
>>>Subject: Why 'Disclosure' Probably Won't Happen


>>What needs to happen to us as a civilization is nicely described
>>in Enrique Barrios' book "Ami - Child of the Stars".


>Good story. However I should make it clear that 'non-fiction
>interspecies civilization' was an expectation arrived at by some
>long-term evolutionary analysis - using the 'real evolution' of
>Wallace, not Darwin.


>What the long-term demands is a matter for conjecture but if it
>involves getting along with more advanced - and technically
>powerful - beings of (probably) entirely different evolutionary
>backgrounds then it seems that tolerance, tact and complete
>sincerity will be necessary. I.e. we wouldn't be well placed if
>caught out in deception - even once.

>So evolutionary theory tells us that humans like our present
>politicos, media, lawyers etc will die out - or else they'll get
>us all killed.

>BTW - have read a few attempts at this, mostly unconvincing: As
>an exercise try to imagine a conference between a carnivore, a
>herbivore, a hive-entity, a vegetable being and a plasma
>intelligence. See any common ground there?

Hi Ray,

Your proposed exercise sets no bounds on species because we
don't know where to set them yet. But in the "Ami" story,
civilizations that had enough "solidarity" (i.e., love,
affection and kindness) needed to become  interstellar travelers
are repelled by the idea of carnivores. We are told that a
carnivore species would either destroy itself before becoming
interstellar travelers, or evolve in solidarity.

The "Ami" story is said to have been written after an experience
the author had in 1985. It was supposedly presented as a
fictional tale because the author didn't want to be labeled a
nutcase. In the story, he went to another planet where he saw
people originally from earth as well as some other off-planet
species. "Some of them looked very similar to us but others were
very different. They had beautiful, strange expressions; large
eyes, tiny mouths and noses that were sometimes mere dimples and
faces that were olive coloured, rosy, black, dead white, yellow,
and so on."

The shape of the faces described seems a lot like the familiar
stereotypical face of the grey alien. We're just not used to
hearing about the different colours. However, I have learned
from an ET being speaking via a respected medium, that sub-
species of this race have these colours, and that the race as a
whole numbers in the trillions in our galaxy. The being says
that his race prefers friendship in its relationships with
others. Friendship was defined as "respect for another being, as
one would respect self, but never interfering in the learning of
another". This is compatible with the definition of solidarity
in the story. (Incidentally, "never interfering in the learning
of another" explains why we don't have disclosure forced upon us
by the ETs.)

If we give credence to this kind of information, we can set some
probable bounds on the physical ET species we are likely to
encounter. These would likely be vegetarian humanoids who have
evolved to get along with, maybe even have affection for,
others. Our often instinctive suspicion that they will be a
threat to humanity is due to our nature as carnivores.


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