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Brazilian MoD Discusses UFOs With Ufologists - 2

From: A. J. Gevaerd - Revista UFO <a.j.nul>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:39:35 -0300
Archived: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 05:56:57 -0400
Subject: Brazilian MoD Discusses UFOs With Ufologists - 2

Dear Listers.

For those who have the patience, here is a detailed article
about the Ministry of Defense meeting in Brasilia, published at
the Brazilian UFO Magazine website two days ago and just
translated into English.

I am sorry if you feel it too long. Tried to make it shorter...

A. J.


"Ministry of Defense and Ufologists establish unique
communication channel in the world"

Historic meeting in Bras=EDlia on April 18 initiates mutual
cooperation between military commands and civilian UFO

=93Members of the Brazilian Committee of UFO Researchers (CBU) and
members of the Brazilian Armed Forces met this Thursday
afternoon in Bras=EDlia under the Ministry of Defense=92s
intermediation to discuss access to military documents and
reports of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs).=94

Those were the introductory words used on the official note
published on the website of the Brazilian Ministry of Defense
(MoD), describing the historic meeting just held in Bras=EDlia,
the Federal Capital, on April 18, a date to be remembered in the
years to come. The meeting was the first step towards the
oncoming future cooperation between the Brazilian military and
UFO researchers to provide the society with some concrete about
the fascinating UFO Phenomena.

The meeting was as a direct response to the Iguassu Falls Letter
by the Ministry of Defense, issued by the Brazilian Committee of
UFO Researchers (CBU) and staff members of the UFO Brazilian
Magazine during the 4th World UFO Forum, held in Iguassu Falls
last December. Signed by over 30 speakers from a dozen countries
and nearly 600 people from the audience, the Letter has turned
out to be the element that has engendered the meeting.

An official bureau for UFO research

=93Brazil is one of the leading countries in the world in number
of incidents involving UFO sightings and encounters with
extraterrestrials. It is highly contradictory that neighboring
nations already have official committees for UFO reports
analysis and investigation, while Brazilian UFO researchers
still relies on promises from the Government that never seemed
to be kept,=94 said A. J. Gevaerd, Brazilian UFO Magazine=92s
editor, while advocating, during the meeting, the establishment
of a bureau with the specific purpose of investigating UFOs. It
should be composed of both civilian and military.

During the 75-minute meeting at the Ministry of Defense, the
Brazilian Committee of UFO Researchers (CBU) was amazed to
realize that that some of participating military had no
knowledge whatsoever of some important and classical UFO cases
registered in Brazil, such as the Operation Saucer and the
famous Varginha Incident, which were then accordingly described
by the members of the CBU.

Also during the meeting, the UFO researchers made it clear to
the Secretary of the Ministry of Defense=92s Institutional
Coordination and Organization, the assembly=92s mediator, Ari
Matos Cardoso, as well as to all the military members of the
Brazilian Army, Navy and Air Force also present at the meeting,
that a cooperation scenario between both parties is desired and
necessary, in which total access to governmental UFO files would
be granted to civilians investigators for analysis and
subsequent divulgation.

It is a commonly known fact throughout Brazilian UFO Community
that the Brazilian Committee of UFO Researchers (CBU) has always
-- and particularly through its campaign =93UFOs: Freedom of
Information Now=94, since 2004 -- claimed that a serious and
systematic study of the UFO Phenomenon is in order, and relying
on governmental support given by the Armed Forces it may result
in invaluable scientific knowledge to be accessible to the
Brazilian and worldwide societies.

Many unanswered questions

During the Ministry of Defense meeting, the UFO researchers
reported their difficulties to access documents classified as
either secret or ultra-secret. =93Many questions remain unsolved
about famous incidents such as Varginha, the Operation Saucer,
aerial and naval vessel pursues, the Trindade Island incident
and what is largely known as Brazilian Official UFO Night,=94
pointed out A. J. Gevaerd, Brazilian UFO Magazine=92s editor. =93The
complete declassification of the documents of those cases would
enable us to have a broader view of the facts.=94

In reply to Gevaerd, Secretary Ari Cardoso declared that those
yet classified cases are exceptions in the Ministry of Defense
system, saying that =93MoD's general rule is to make all UFO
documents accessible to the researchers, even those documents
still kept in secrecy by the Armed Forces=94. He added that =93some
cases still have to go through the legal deadlines, but that is
an issue that will soon be resolved. It is a matter of time
until the CBU has access to what it is requesting.=94

In addition, the Secretary assured to the UFO researchers that
the Ministry of Defense has great respect for the subject: =93I
want you gentlemen to know that we take these matters very
seriously, and we have deep respect for your work. We will do
everything we can to establish a clear and effective
communication channel between MoD and CBU, and also help you to
reach your goals,=94 he said, accompanied by Mr. Adriano Portella,
Director of the MoD=92s Organization and Legislation Department.

The CBU staff members who attended the meeting were the UFO
researchers and Brazilian UFO Magazine specialists Gener Silva
(lawyer), Thiago Ticchetti (administrator), Fernando Ramalho
(public servant), Marco Petit (writer), Francisco Pires de
Campos (businessman) and the editor Gevaerd (journalist),
presiding over the meeting on the UFO researchers side.
Professor Wilson Picler and engineer Ricardo Varela had been
scheduled to be in Bras=EDlia as well, but unfortunately were
unable to go.

Requests through the Access to Information Act

The serious way that the Ministry of Defense has approached the
subject is not a chance circumstance. Ac-cording to Air Force
Colonel Alexandre Spengler, who is in charge of the MoD=92s
Service of Information to the Citizen, most of the requests
received by his bureau through the recent established Access of
Information Act (LAI) involve UFO incidents, a fact that has
encouraged the militaries and the public agents to organize the
meeting with the UFO researchers.

As Spengler said, =93all requests made by society and later turned
down were due to the fact that the information requested either
did not exist in our files or contains national security issues.
Apart from that, all the requests have been answered.=94 The
predominant incidence of requests involving UFO cases through
the use of the LAI was also emphasized by Secretary Ari Cardoso.

According to information from Brazilian New Agency, the requests
for information on flying saucers to the Ministry of Defense
based on that Act have actually broken all records and were
higher than any other topic. The numbers are revealing: among
all types of requests, the majority is about UFO related data,
with 107 occurrences. In second place come 27 occurrences about
military matters.

Ufology as serious business

The CBU members present at the historic meeting at the Ministry
of Defense meeting, thereby representing the whole Brazilian UFO
Community, discussed with MoD officials and the military several
important details and particularities about the UFO Phenomena,
thus extending the conversation beyond the need to disclose
information which is still being kept secret about the topic.

One of the topics discussed in the meeting was about the
frequent request made by the UFO researchers, who would like to
see established an official committee or bureau for UFO
research, composed both my civilian and military members. This
is one of the items on the Iguassu Falls Letter, one of its most
important ones, according to the text that can be accessed in
the links below. =93The Brazilian Committee of UFO Re-searchers
(CBU) has repeatedly asked the Government the creation of such
entity during its campaign =91UFOs: Freedom of Information Now=92,
since 2004.=94

The Letter posed again such request to the Ministry of Defense
in these terms: =93To establish a multidisciplinary and mixed
committee, with the joint participation of military from the
three Armed Forces and members of the Brazilian UFO Community,
so that with military logistics and the mutual cooperation of
UFO re-searchers and civilian scientists, a proper co-joint
study of the UFO activity can be carried out, to be subsequently
disclosed to society by means of regular informative
instruments, suitable to the issue=92s importance=94.

The military participation in the meeting

Over ten military from the three Armed Forces -- Army, Navy and
Air Force -- were present at the meeting, but only the
representative of the Air Force Command made a significant
contribution, surprising the UFO researchers with his frankness
and stating that it was quite true that some UFO documents still
remain secret and are yet to be declassified. He added, however,
=93that the proper measures were being taken about it so that the
Brazilian Committee of UFO Researchers (CBU) request should be
met soon.=94

Gevaerd has pointed out that the Navy representative merely
said, during the meeting, that there were no UFO documents in
possession of his corporation, but Brazilian UFO Magazine=92s co-
editor Marco A. Petit later contradicted him by demonstrating
the existence of numberless facts that had been investigated by
the Navy, among which, especially, the famous Trindade Island

=93As for the representative of the Army Command, however, who had
also been summoned to the meeting by the Ministry of Defense,
his participation was disappointing,=94 said the editor Gevaerd.
Lieutenant-colonel R. Okamoto only claimed -- to everyone=92s
amazement -- that he was called only at the last minute and was
not aware of the subject to be discussed, although the Army had
been duly notified of the topics for the conversation.

It is a known fact that the Brazilian Committee of UFO
Researchers (CBU) main request to the MoD, by means of the
Iguassu Falls Letter, was the declassification of documents
about the most important episode in Brazilian Ufology, the
Varginha Incident. About the subject, Colonel Spengler
surprisingly said that =93the Army claims that it does not have in
its possession any documents about the so-called Varginha=92s ET
incident, which occurred in 1996, in the State of Minas Gerais,
either because those documents have gone astray or were
destroyed with the order of its destruction along, according to
the law.=94

Brazil needs its own bureau for UFO investigation

The attempts to establish an official bureau for UFO
investigation in Brazil are important for one more reason.
Several South American nations, such as Uruguay and Chile, have
their own investigative bureaus for UFO analysis and study, and
they operate with transparency. =93How come Brazil, the largest
country in the continent, does not yet have one such bureau?=94
asks Gevaerd. Uruguay has the oldest such department in the
world, the Comissi=F3n Receptadora y Investigadora de Denuncias de
Objectos Voladores No Identificados (Cridovni). Operating since
1979, the Comissi=F3n collects and analyses UFO incident reports
that come to the Uruguayan Air Force=92s knowledge.

Other such examples are the Centro de Estudios de Fen=F3menos
A=E9reos An=F3malos (CEFAA) in Chile, operating since 1997 inside
the General Management of Civilian Aviation, and the Peruvian
Air Force (FAP) Oficina de Investigaci=F3n de Fen=F3menos An=F3malos
Aeroespaciales (OIFAA), created by a presidential act in 2002,
but currently not operative.

As a matter of fact, Brazil did have official entities for UFO
investigations in three occasions, 1954, 1969 to 1972 and 1977,
this one being the Operation Saucer. In the brief period between
1969 and 1972, the entity operated within the 4th Regional Air
Command (IV COMAR) in S=E3o Paulo and was called System for the
Investigation of Unidentified Flying Objects (Sioani). During
its short, though prolific existence, the System investigated
over 100 UFO incidents and produced thousands of pages of
documentation, photographs and drawings, with the results from
its researches.

=93The UFO reality is worthy of attention=94

Sioani came into existence thanks to the personal initiative of
Major Brigadier Jos=E9 Vaz da Silva, from the Brazilian Air Force
(FAB), a man who convinced his military peers that the UFO
reality was worthy of attention. And he did so during the
Brazilian Dictatorship days. Sioani investigated a variety of
cases involving UFOs, including those in which occupants were
sighted and had some kind of contact with witnesses. Most of the
documents produced by the Sioani are now available on Brazilian
UFO Magazine=92s website (www.ufo.com.br).

Sioani=92s extraordinary trajectory, which was paradoxically
unknown by many officers of the Brazilian Air Force (FAB) today,
including some present at the Ministry of Defense meeting, may
be a source of inspiration for the establishment of a new
committee for UFO analysis and study, as the Brazilian Committee
of UFO Researchers (CBU) seeks. Such a committee would be under
military wing, involving this time not only the three Armed
Forces, but also segments of the Brazilian UFO Community.

The Air Force has already shown how it regards the UFO issue
seriously. For example, in 2010, Air Force Commander, Lieutenant
Brigadier Juniti Saito, signed Ordinance 551/GC3, determining
that all documents about UFOs produced within FAB=92s wing should
be sent to the National Archives.

Saito=92s Ordinance 551/GC3=92s most important part is: =93The
Brazilian Airspace Defense Command (Comdabra), being the central
organ within the Brazilian Airspace Defense System (Sisdabra),
is the organization in charge of receiving and cataloguing
registers of UFOs reported in the organ=92s own forms by users of
the air traffic control services and forwarding them to the
CENDOC on a regular basis. It is the COMAER the organization in
charge of copying, binding, filing copies from reports sent by
Comdabra, and periodically send the originals to the National

The Air Force takes it seriously

On April 18 there was a most auspicious discussion about the
establishment within the Ministry of Defense of a committee
comprising UFO researchers whose aim would be to receive all
registers of UFO occurrences (which FAB calls =93Traffic H=94)
collected by the Brazilian Airspace Defense Command (Comdabra).
=93Such information shows the extent to which the military,
especially those from the Air Force, take the UFO phenomenon
seriously,=94 said another co-editor of the Brazilian UFO
Magazine, Fernando Ramalho.

Establishing such a bureau whose aim would be to investigate the
immense and complex range of UFO activity in Brazil would meet
not only the Brazilian UFO Community demands, but also those of
the nation=92s society, as can be seen by the huge amount of
requests for information on UFOs based on LAI, which have
astounded the militaries and become one of the motivations that
culminated the official meeting.

The members of the CBU and the members of Brazilian UFO Magazine
volunteer their services to the new bureau, which could be an
improved version of the ancient Sioani, as suggested Colonel
Antonio Celente Videira. The bureau=92s goal would be to serve the
Brazilian public and help to decipher one of the most impressive
enigmas the mankind has ever faced: the visits from other
species to our planet, a phenomenon that has given our country
an outstanding place in the world because of the immense amount
of UFO sightings and encounters with extraterrestrials that
happen here, as well as their immense variety.

A demand from the Brazilian Society

=93That is precisely why a new official research bureau is
urgently needed, so that it can seek out those answers demanded
by Brazilian society,=94 concluded editor Gevaerd. He added that
all the members of the Brazilian Committee of UFO Researchers
(CBU) present at the historic meeting were happy about the
results, and hopeful to see the promises made by the Ministry of
Defense officials kept.

The most important among those promises was the one made by the
Secretary for the MoD=92s Institutional Coordination and
Organization, and mediator of the event, Ari Matos Cardoso: the
establishment of a clear and effective channel of communication
between the CBU and MoD so that the researchers may have un-
limited, unobstructed and bureaucracy-free access to the
information needed.

With those words Ari Cardoso closed the meeting, but before the
assembly actually dispersed, editor A. J. Gevaerd took the
opportunity to add to the Secretary=92s promise: =93Since such a
channel is about to be considered and established, why not make
a slightly bigger effort and consider the additional possibility
of creating a committee for UFO research which we have long

Now it is up to the UFO researchers to wait for the next steps.

Source: Brazilian UFO Magazine website: www.ufo.com.br

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