From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 07:51:40 -0500 Archived: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 09:22:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Oz-Factor >From: Roy Hale <roy.nul> >To: <post.nul> >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:56:08 +0100 >Subject: Re: Oz-Factor >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul> >>To: post.nul >>Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 08:24:27 -0500 >>Subject: Oz-Factor [was: Physiological & Psychological Effects Of Adrenaline] >>Joe, >>It seems obvious that you don't even know what the "Oz factor" >>is. You're quitting while you're behind, which demonstrates >>that, at least in this one regard, you have more sense than I >>would have credited you with. Of course, you will continue your >>discourse with those who know as little of the phenomenon's >>dynamics as you do. >Jerry, >After reading the latest UFO debates on such issues, I am >starting to feel that I live in a non-real world! >It's all made up of imaginary factors and circumstances or so we >are led to believe and nothing humans witness is real! >What is your view on ancient shamanic Cultures? Is there Any >evidence that they have had any impact on such debates Such as >this one i.e. Psychological Effects of Adrenaline? >Or is this a non-starter in this area of research? Hi, Roy, I have nothing to say about "ancient shamanic cultures," knowing little of consequence about the subject. Oz phenomena, however, are deeply anomalous, not "imaginary" in the ordinarily understood sense of the term. They seem to be triggered by the intersection of consciousness and some unknown... something about which we know practically nothing except that it is occasionally accessible and experienceable in certain ways. These phenomena occur in a liminal space where the ritual human explanatory responses - literalism on one hand, denialism on the other - beg too many questions to be useful. The Oz encounter, it should be stressed, is an experience phenomenon, not an event phenomenon. The introductory essay to my book Unexplained (2012) outlines the distinction between event anomalies (e.g., in ufology, radar/visuals and CE2s) and experience anomalies (vivid, highly strange, unprovable). The debate about anomalous phenomena stalled long ago because both sides, the proponents and the debunkers, have been absolute in their insistence upon familiar frames of reference - basically, real and not real - which manifestly do not apply. It is well past time, in short, that we acknowledge that people do indeed have extraordinary experiences which defy current knowledge, without, however, obliging ourselves to conclude there is no more to be said about the contents and dynamics of those experiences. Coincidentally, an article by a philosophy professor in a recent issue of the New York Times addresses some of the same issues: http://tinyurl.com/m7wod7v Jerry Clark Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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