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Re: Physiological & Psychological Effects Of

From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 15:55:12 +0100
Archived: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 06:43:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Physiological & Psychological Effects Of

>From: Gerald O'Connell <goc.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 13:33:33 +0100
>Subject: Re: Physiological & Psychological Effects Of Adrenaline

>>From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:25:28 +0100
>>Subject: Re: Physiological & Psychological Effects Of Adrenaline

>>>From: Jacquie Cosford <jacquiecos.nul>
>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 18:04:17 -0400
>>>Subject: Re: Physiological & Psychological Effects Of Adrenaline

>>>From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
>>>To: post.nul
>>>Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:46:56 +0100
>>>Subject: Re: Physiological & Psychological Effects Of Adrenaline


>>>However, it is interesting how the mind works and one that needs
>>>to be taken into account when investigating eyewitness accounts.
>>>I can only go by experience, and my own reactions to a sighting.

>>That's exactly what I am saying, that the way the mind works
>>needs to be considered when dealing with witness accounts.

>That's not what comes across, Joe. What comes across is an
>unwillingness to address the the issue of cause and effect in
>any kind of rigorous or systematic way. It seems that you are
>not at all interested in considering whether 'the way the mind
>works' can be the result of external objective triggers, some of
>which might lay outside conventional explanation.

In a sense, it doesn't matter if the trigger is anomalous or
not; it is the witness's perception that it is something they
haven't encountered before so to them it _is_ anomalous, whether
it is a lantern or a 12-stone baby.

>Instead of taking any kind of systematic approach to things, you
>come across as as a rather clumsy sceptical spin doctor, making
>reference to anecdotal evidence that demonstrates, to your mind,
>that ordinary folk see Chinese lanterns and have pseudo-
>spiritual experiences as a consequence. The implication seems to
>be that we can generalise from this to a pervasive unreliability
>of witness reports, together with an underlying view to the
>effect that 'it's all in the mind'.

I'm surprised you read it that way - it is a factor which should
be considered when evaluating witness reports, that is all I
have said, it is something that they have no control over and
usually little or no awareness of.

>It would clarify matters if you would let us know whether you
>believe that 'the way the mind works' is the primary explanatory
>factor in all sightings of anomalous aerial phenomena. At least
>we would then know where you are coming from. If your answer is
>'not in every case', you might also let us know whether think
>that some objective triggers might be genuinely anomalous, or
>merely mistaken attributions arising from explicable man-made or
>natural phenomena.

I don't believe any such thing. It is a factor to be considered.
As I said before, it is immaterial whether the stimulus is
genuinely anomalous or not, to the witness, it is anomalous at
the time.

>If you can't answer these questions then you can't be taken

I frankly don't care who takes me seriously. - Seriously.



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