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Re: Artificial Intelligence

From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul>
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 15:56:47 -0500 (EST)
Archived: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 16:48:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Artificial Intelligence

>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 20:55:03 -0000
>Subject: Re: Artificial Intelligence

>Hello List

>Have to start over because it seems we're forgetting a couple of

>First, 'morals/ethics' or whatever only exist because humans
>(and maybe other higher mammals) have taboos which have
>developed for evolutionary reasons. That is, _all_ of those
>"sins" tend to decrease the gene pool, even the one of usury
>(because usurers aren't working or competing they tend to become
>ugly and incompetent, eventually unmarriageable and the line
>goes extinct). I.e. "sins" decrease our species chances of
>survival, especially in times of genetic bottle-neck.

>So if an AI is actually 'intelligent' and not merely following a
>program (algorithm) it will have its own definition of morals,
>based on its own evolutionary imperatives - which are almost
>certainly going to clash with ours.

Yes they will clash with ours. Part of the maturation process is
rebellion against our creators (parents). However, the goal is
cooperation. An adult human being reaches past the point of
rebellion to cooperate in human society. Machines will need to
go through a similar process. We should encourage this process
by 'raising' machines in human families.

I think people are asking the wrong questions about A.I. The
wrong question is about them rebelling and possibly wiping us
out. Perhaps the correct question to ask if humans will behave
in a manner in which machines are forced to protect themselves
by waging war against us. Humans are pretty foolish in these
types of situations.

>Second, as Penrose has pretty firmly concluded (in Emperors New
>Mind & Road to Reality) conscious intelligence looks likely to
>depend on a non-algorithmic and indeed non-computable ability
>which _might_ only belong to organic brains. [He speculates it
>might be a quantum attribute.]

>So the successful AI might have to have an organic (neural
>network) brain - which brings us back to its evolutionary
>imperatives and hence its - unknown to us - morals and motives.


>Ray D

Penrose is a brilliant mind. However, he is one man. Human
beings have a very long history of denying intelligence or even
'souls' to fellow human beings. The argument that machines could
never become intelligent fits well into this human pattern of

You may be interested in the following:

Quantum Computers


Jason Gammon

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