From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 17:55:08 -0000 Archived: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 09:44:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Artificial Intelligence Hello John and Jason (and William), It seems to me that you're all saying that we don't know enough to come to firm conclusions about the possible/probable nature of AIs, and I have to agree with that. For Jason's view, I found that the "Chinese Room" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room and "Einstein's Brain" http://tinyurl.com/ak5ogg8 served as useful examples of the extremes of both pro and contra arguments. And for John's view, having done a lot of research in the last couple of decades, have been led to a fairly strong 'evolutionary' view, reflected - I think - in actual history (and pre-history), and anthropology/biology generally, maybe even extending beyond the Earth life we know. That view is known as the "Altruist Survivor" principle or hypothesis. Here's the Google search result - for info, discussions and criticisms of the principle: http://tinyurl.com/a3czhqt [That 'A.S' principle or viewpoint has also enabled, although rather obliquely (as you might see in the footnotes) some cursory analyses of rather deep scientific questions about the universe - shown in this collection of notes and science quotes about universal origins; http://tinyurl.com/a3cl92q as you might see, a corollary is that popular theories, on almost any subject, tend to be those which seem to support or excuse what we might call 'selfish' behaviour and short-term advantage to power groups (who tend to control academia, media etc); however the long view - as shown in the footnotes - always eventually shows those 'popular theories' to be completely wrong. Unfortunately we never seem to learn from history.] And that brings us back to the vexed question of the possible dangers of AIs - as 'slaves' that might either rebel, or more likely in my opinion, simply make their human 'masters' irrelevant. A possible historical precedent is that of the Spartans (apparently very successful at war and conquest) and their Helot slaves. The Helots eventually mated with the wives of the Spartans (who were often away fighting and conquering and whose tastes anyway rather inclined to homosexual pedophilia - maybe read Xenophon's 'Anabasis' ('Retreat of the Ten Thousand' or 'The March Up- country') http://tinyurl.com/ahw52a7 which is impartial on the subject of Sparta (Xenophon was an Athenian but was well travelled and had fought alongside Spartans in various campaigns and also traded with them). So although the history books do not tell us, the outcome was that the Helots probably outbred the (male) Spartans, making their fighting abilities irrelevant. That might not seem to apply to 'machines' incapable of breeding with humans, but it might lead to a splitting of the human race, into those with AI 'slaves' and the rest who still fend for themselves. An impartial look at history tells us that 'slave-owners' (or aristocrats in later societies) always become incompetent and eventually die out. Cheers Ray D Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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