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Re: Artificial Intelligence

From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul>
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 15:39:35 -0500 (EST)
Archived: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 17:38:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Artificial Intelligence


>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 13:19:13 -0000
>Subject: Re: Artificial Intelligence


>Hi Jason, and John,

>1) re the problem of AIs and techno: You've seen, in the last
>decade or so, how readily folk become dependent on technology of
>which they know almost nothing. Future societies will be ever
>more high-tech, and most stuff will happen behind the scenes so
>folk will know even less about it. And if AIs can do all the
>design and maintenance then their owners will increasingly rely
>on them - so ending up ignorant of the nuts and bolts of their
>own life-support systems and even of their wider ecology. That's
>a recipe for disaster.

Yes, but this is true of any technology. How many people know
how to build a car engine? There was a time when almost every
man knew something about working on cars. That time has passed.

When we are talking A.I. and machines of the future humans won't
have the choice of trying to keep up with them. It simply will
not be possible for the human mind to comprehend the complexity
of future technology. The only way for 'humans' to keep up is to
merge with the technology, becoming cyborgs.

>As they say "any weapon you don't know how to use belongs to
>your enemy" and so it is with software and hardware, but the
>`enemy' could be non-human (AIs), or corrupt gov'ts, or just bad
>luck.

>2) then there's another problem with the idea of cyborgs, along
>with Kurzweil's uploaded super-humans - change is happening in
>all fields and there are serious predictions, in the nearish
>future, of quasi-immortality to be obtained by one means or
>another. And that's the problem - if you make a choice too
>early, say by going cyborg or up-loading, there might be no way
>back when they find a `real' immortality route. Would you want
>to be trapped in a rusting metal case while everybody else moves
>into god-like bodies, or are elevated into ethereal beings
>enjoying a higher plane?

The most advanced cyborgs will be 'born' cyborgs; however, they
won't actually be born but grown in artificial wombs, much like
the artificial wombs we hear about from abductees.

Adult humans turning into cyborgs would create a very 'clunky',
primitive model. There would need to be 'borg'-type nano tech
involved for adult humans who want to convert for any hope of
avoiding the 'clunkiness'.

As far as uploading goes, there are many different types. There
is what I call "The Ark", where say an entire civilization is
uploaded into a machine and the individual minds of the formerly
organic beings now exist in a virtual, matrix-like world created
by the machine. In time the inhabitants of The Ark may even
forget they were living in a virtual universe and mistake it for
the real thing.

Another method would be one mind per machine, where the
mind is not inside a virtual universe but simply transfers from
an organic body to a mechanical one.

As far as reversing the process goes, it is always possible to
download into a cybernetic body or cyborg. I don't know if it's
possible to download back into a pure human. In time that may be
possible but I just don't know. But remember that advanced
cyborgs could be indistinguishable from a pure human. Hell, even
advanced A.I. may produce 'machines' that we would not recognize
as machines, even beings that we would view as being humans or
even aliens. Finally, about your statement about being trapped
in a rusty, metal case, you do realize that machines don't have
to be composed of metal?


Jason Gammon




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