From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:48:59 -0000 Archived: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 06:49:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Artificial Intelligence >From: John Donaldson <John.Donaldson.nul> >To: "post.nul" <post.nul> >Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:09:27 +0000 >Subject: Re: Artificial Intelligence >>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> >>To: <post.nul> >>Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 15:17:59 -0000 >>Subject: Re: Artificial Intelligence >>>From: John Donaldson <John.Donaldson.nul> >>>To: <post.nul> >>>Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 22:26:32 +0000 >>>Subject: Re: Artificial Intelligence <snip> >>Nope, as you can see my position is that 'morality' +/or >>'ethics' are evolutionary outcomes which have developed >>(because they work) to increase a species chances of survival. It's as simple as that. <snip> >As our thread has already covered, the only argument you offered >previously was that it is possible to explain the appearance of >moral behaviour in the human species by appeal to evolutionary >forces. I responded by pointing out that explaining the appearance of moral behaviour in humans by appeal to evolutionary forces does not in any count against the claim that there are moral facts. <snip> Hello John, I can see where some get that idea: that 'moral facts' might exist, maybe in the same way that some mathematicions believe that all mathematical truths exist in a Platonic world on a different plane to our earthly one. That's precisely why I can't consider the concept: it's untestable, like all similar 'theological' or abstract theories. However I can test - or at least ensure compatability with researched biological, archeological and historical facts - actual concrete evolutionary outcomes. The researched facts and their high correlation with what we know know of human 'morals' - and outcomes spread over recorded history - are listed under various headings in the 'Altruist Survivor' pages. So, purely pragmatically we can say there's a very high probability that 'morals' are an evolutionary asset, and that each species has (slightly) different basic morals, to aid survival of that species. However, AR Wallace pointed out "The separate species of which the organic world consists being parts of a whole, we must suppose some dependence of each upon all". Which implies the existence of hard evolutionary (survival) reasons for the additional, more complex 'morality' of responsibility for all species on the planet. And that does seem to be grasped by some forward-thinking folk these days. Cheers Ray D Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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