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David Clark [was: We're Done Here, Now Go Away -

From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 10:09:44 -0700
Archived: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 06:02:40 -0400
Subject: David Clark [was: We're Done Here, Now Go Away -

>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 18:20:12 -0300
>Subject: Re: We're Done Here, Now Go Away - Cox

>>Source: Billy Cox's Blog de Void


>>Wednesday, July 3, 2013

>>We're Done Here, Now Go Away
>>By Billy Cox, Herald-Tribune

>>David Clarke, the tireless Sheffield
>>Hallam University professor whose decade-long quest in getting
>>his country's National Archives to release UFO files compiled by
>>the British Ministry of Defence, reached the end of the road on
>>June 23 with a final data-dump into the public domain. And he
>>signed off on that last batch with I-told-you-so relish. There
>>were no smoking guns amid the 52,000 pages released since the
>>incremental undertaking began in 2009, and even veteran British
>>researcher Jenny Randles lauded Clarke's persistence.


>There is a weird disconnect going on with the British clique.
>UFOs not so much but attack fairies and trolls-oh well there is
>much folklore and writing about the same in ancient Europe.
>David Clarke has a doctorate in Folklore and would likely prefer
>that UFOs somehow be lumped in with the former, but the fact is
>UFO reports are coming in from people who are not only "the
>common folk" but people from all walks of life, industries and

>Dr. Clarke and his supporters really do have to watch themselves
>if they don't want to go down in history - coined by Nick Pope -
>as the MoD's "useful idiots".

About 3 years ago, Clarke was posting to UpDates and bragging
about his ability to get the UK UFO files released, I made some
snarky comment, not exactly calling him a useful idiot, but
pointing out that as a "folklorist", he made the ideal academic
shill (I didn't use that word either) for the MOD to deal with,
as Clarke's academic credentials and MOD's eagerness to
accommodate had the added benefit of insinuating that UFOs were
nothing but folklore.

Clarke then responded to the effect that folklorists like
himself might be best suited to studying UFOs, since UFOs
allegedly left behind no physical evidence for physical
scientists to study. (No doubt one of the most stupid and
ignorant statements ever made in this field, full of stupid and
ignorant statements. Clarke seemingly had never heard of radar
cases, ground traces, EM interference cases, photographic cases,
actual metal chunk cases, etc., one and all examples of physical
evidence that could be studied. Even pure sighting cases can be
studied statistically in a scientific manner.)

To that I retorted that maybe Clarke could point out which
government/military study ever used folklorists, instead using
scientists, engineers, and intelligence people of various types.

As I recall, that was the end of Clarke on UFO Updates. I'm
still waiting for his reply on which big study used people like
himself to study UFOs.

I think Nick Pope got it exactly right calling Clarke a "useful
idiot", not that he is an idiot, but he is naive (and maybe a
bit arrogant) if he thinks the most sensitive stuff has been
declassified and released merely because he has been persistent.
Pope also correctly notes that Clarke has zero security
clearance and all the stuff that has been released was
previously declassified before Clarke ever arrived on the UFO

As happened in the U.S., Project Blue Book quickly lost its
status as any primary investigative body with the best cases
with clear national security implications being classified out
of the PBB system and dealt with by other intelligence gathering
mechanisms that had been put in place. Blue Book was nothing but
a skeleton crew in the bitter end. That is why PBB was never
missed when closed down and why Gen. Bolender could state in his
1969 memo, "There is still... no evidence that Project Blue Book
reports have served any intelligence function. Moreover, reports
of unidentified flying objects which could affect national
security are made in accordance with JANAP 146 or Air Force
Manual 55-11, and are not part of the Blue Book system...
reports of UFOs which could affect national security would
continue to be handled through the standard Air Force procedures
designed for this purpose."

Now if UFOs really were nothing but "folklore", there would be
no national security reasons to continue to study them, period,
even outside of the public eye. Was there a JANAP 146 directive
for collecting Santa Claus sightings? Maybe Clarke can find it.

David Rudiak

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