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Re: US Government Tested A Flying Saucer In 1956

From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 13:48:53 -0700
Archived: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 09:12:31 -0400
Subject: Re: US Government Tested A Flying Saucer In 1956

>From: Terry W. Colvin <fortean1.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 10:38:21 +0700 (GMT+07:00)
>Subject: US Government Tested A Flying Saucer In 1956

>Source: The Vault


>Thursday, July 11

>The Government Tested A Flying Saucer in 1956. Here's
>the Full Report
>By Rebecca Onion

>In September, a National Archives blog devoted to recently
>declassified documents published a post about an intriguing set
>of records from the aeronautical systems division of the U.S.
>Air Force. During the 1950s, according to these documents, the
>Air Force had contracted with a Canadian firm, Avro Aircraft
>Limited, to produce what can only be described as a flying

>While the National Archives provided a few images from Project
>1794 last year, the entire report is now available online.


>The report summarizes Avro's work on its initial contract with
>the Air Force, which financed a feasibility study to test the
>systems and principles that would be necessary to create what
>Avro called a flat vertical take-off and landing aircraft.=E2=80=9D
>The ship was to reach a top speed between Mach 3 and Mach 4 and
>be capable of flying at 100,000 feet and ranging 1,000 nautical

Of course, to we UFO "buffs", the AVRO saucers are very old
news. They also predate 1956, with the design teams starting
work in 1951. Wikipedia seems to a decent job of covering the
history of the project:


Joel Carpenter on the NICAP website ties it in with the Lockheed
Skunkworks Kelly Johnson Dec. 13, 1953 UFO sighting and also
Kenneth Arnold's original UFO sighting, since the original AVRO
"flying saucer" mockup was a virtually duplicate of what Arnold
had described. The head engineer, Jack Frost (yes, real name),
says Carpenter, followed the UFO scene carefully and thought
Arnold's sighting was of these aircraft was absolutely genuine,
hence attempts to model a human saucer after them. (Of course,
none of this backstory as to what inspired the AVRO attempt is
in the Wikipedia article.)


I also have one of the articles Carpenter dug up from People
Today, Dec. 13, 1953 (by coincidence, same date as the Kelly
Johnson sighting) on my website, since it also includes a quote
by Gen. Roger Ramey, of Roswell weather balloon infamy,
debunking flying saucers again, saying they were not "material"
objects, unlike the proposed AVRO saucer.


Ramey also referred to the saucers as not being material the
previous year on CBS TV following his participation in a
debunkery press conference for the widely publicized "Washington
Nationals" UFO overflights of Washington DC that made nationwide
headlines in July 1952. Ramey, then USAF director of operations,
was referred to as the Air Force's "saucer man" and one of the
AF's two top UFO experts, along with Gen. Samford, head of AF
intelligence, who did most of the talking at the press



David Rudiak

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