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Re: ETs Probes Already In Solar System?

From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 22:39:03 +0100
Archived: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 07:01:50 -0400
Subject: Re: ETs Probes Already In Solar System?

>From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 13:38:32 -0400
>Subject: Re: ETs Probes Already In Solar System?

>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 10:13:28 +0100
>>Subject: Re: ETs Probes Already In Solar System?

>>>>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>>Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:04:54 +0100
>>>>>Subject: ETs Probes Already In Solar System?



>>>>>for a more rational assessment by astronomers. I.e that a
>>>>>really advanced civilization would think of us as lower than
>>>>>insects, more like bacteria.


>>I think there's three main areas:

>>1) Martyn Stubbs' disclosure of NASA films have shown that
>>there are extra-ordinarily large entities (maybe not
>>engineered, non-biological craft) visiting the Earth's
>>atmosphere daily, seemingly attended by small super-fast
>>'probes' or even 'scouts' capable of interacting with human

>>2) Research by Jacques Vallee et al seems to show that UFO/ET
>>phenomena have existed for centuries, and that a proportion of
>>such events are of a non-physical, highly subjective nature.

>>3) There are traces of several anomalous processes in our own
>>past, maybe extending into the present:

>These prehistoric beings apparently did not treat humans as
>insignificant insects. Rather, they seem to have given humans
>knowledge of science, technology and art. So it's the
>unwillingness to deviate from our "official" scripts that allows
>such ideas to be held by otherwise intelligent people.

Hello William,

It would be nice if things were that simple - but they're not.

Examining the historical and archeological record we see that
the earliest civilizations where 'long-heads' were visible (or
ruled) did indeed show precocious advanced attributes, but they
also share an unnatural urge to organised warfare - the
slaughter of men, women and children

'Unnatural' because we know (latest evidence only this week)
that ordinary humans are 'peaceful'. That's reinforced by what
we know of the pre-Greek Aegean (maybe 7,800 years old), the
Indus Valley Civilization (7,000 - 8,000 years old) and from
Catalhoyok, Turkey (up to 9,500 years old at lowest levels)
which all show peaceful farmers, sailors and/or traders with
egalitarian high quality housing and hygiene and no trace of
palaces, barracks, slave-quarters or prisons. See:


Whereas the so-called 'high civilizations' of Egypt,
Mesopotamia, the later Aegean (the incoming 'Greek' tribes) and
across in Meso-America, all 'empire-builders' (but not the
earlier native or autochthonous folk) were apparently dedicated
to regular mass-bloodshed either in organized warfare between
armed groups or more often in the ruthless slaughter of native
pastoralists by heavily armed 'soldiery'. [Most of the classical
Greeks were actually little more than murdering cattle-thieves
and slavers, on a grand scale - read Xenophon or Thucydides
between the lines]

The Meso-American groups, all showing reverence for 'long-head'
symbology and imitation (by head-binding of human babies) were
also dedicated to human sacrifice (on a huge and bloody scale
for the Aztecs but others were close) and torture of captives to
a degree which can only be described as psychopathic -
accompanied as it was (esp. in the 'Mayans' - an ethnic misnomer
IMHO) by self-torture by rulers and their wives (the 'King' is
often shown dragging a sting-ray barb along his penis to draw
lots of blood for a sacrifice, while their women are shown
ripping their tongues open with similar barbs).

If you wanted to risk generalizing you could say that 'natural
humans' were/are relatively peaceful and egalitarian (after all
what's the point of wanting more than a 'decent' level of
consumption?) while those groups touched by the 'long-heads'
(slaughtering, building palaces, using slave labour etc.) seem
to act in ways dictated by the shape of those long-heads'
skulls. Don't forget they had a cranial capacity two to three
times that of a regular human being, but their receding
foreheads meant little or no prefrontal lobe development (seat
of our social behaviour - psychopaths have damage there) and the
un-natural extension is mostly to the back of the head - seat of
the cerebellum: rote-learned behaviour and fear, dominance

So, if ETs _have_ interfered with human physiological and social
evolution over the millennia as you hinted, we can maybe hope
that there was more than one ET group-ethos involved, as Admiral
Hill-Norton was convinced, and that the _others_ allowed us more
peaceful and egalitarian folk to evolve naturally.


Ray D

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