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Re: Physiological & Psychological Effects Of

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 13:03:12 -0500
Archived: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 18:43:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Physiological & Psychological Effects Of


>From: Joe McGonagle <joe.mcgonagle.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 16:56:34 +0100
>Subject: Re: Physiological & Psychological Effects Of Adrenaline

>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 09:15:01 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Physiological & Psychological Effects Of Adrenaline

><snip>

>>I can hardly wait till you expand this barstool-level insight
>>into an actual article or paper, wherein you attempt, yet again,
>>to equate apples with elephants. Please promise that you will do
>>so, and please let us know when you do that and where we can
>>read it. I anticipate wonderful fun.

>No, I obviously made a mistake, Jerry. There is absolutely no
>value in considering alternatives to the absolute purity of all
>witness reports, they must never be questioned. Especially
>expert witness reports, like pilots and policemen, for instance.

Joe,

Actually, this is pretty much what I was expecting from you.

Have you actually _read_ accounts of people's Oz Factor
experiences? Have you any idea - a rhetorical question, sadly -
that most people's responses to anomalous observations are not
remotely so emotionally wrought as those felt in life-
threatening crises?

In my own case - this as a lifelong anomalist - I didn't even
recognize the observation, while in retrospect deeply strange,
as anomalous until sometime later after all other hypotheses had
died for want of explanatory power.  Nothing about the
experience was emotional, intense, frightening; it was just
puzzling.  If someone were about to shoot or stab me, or if an
oncoming vehicle were about to crash into mine, none of the
relatively blase above would apply, though a variety of
evolutionary mechanisms meant to trigger a response to extreme
danger as opposed to a merely unusual stimulus, would kick in.
That's why, as I wrote in my original posting, you're comparing
apples to elephants.

Are you aware, moreover, that many people's sense of an altered
landscape occurs _before_ their anomalous observations?

And where is ... oh, never mind. My objection, as other Listfolk
will have grasped, is not to a proposed counter-explanation but
to a seriously wanting - i.e., hapless and question-begging -
counter-explanation.

As if I needed to be reminded again why I'm not a "skeptic".

Sigh,

Jerry Clark



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