From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 17:36:06 +0100 Archived: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 05:36:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Kathleen Marden on Coast to Coast >From: Kathleen Marden <Kmarden.nul> >To: post.nul >Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 07:24:29 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: Kathleen Marden on Coast to Coast >>From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul> >>To: post.nul >>Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 12:34:12 -0400 (EDT) >>Subject: Re: Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast >>Ms. Marden, with all due respect and no offense intended, but >>at the end of the show you were discussing "the astral plane", >>"astral projection", and "raising one's vibrations". You were >>discussing it because that's what your abductees told you, so >>therefore it must be right, correct? You have left science >>behind and have entered New-Age "woo-hoo" land. However, you >>can make a u-turn and come back. I suggest you do so >>immediately. >With reference to statements I made on Coast to Coast, I was >speaking of information I received from 3 theoretical physicists >that I had consulted regarding information that several >experiencers had passed to me independently. I asked if it was >scientifically possible and discussed the answers I received >from them. Are you suggesting that these highly respected >physicists who've worked at Harvard and MIT are out in woo woo >land? >There has been much discussion recently about other dimensions, >parallel universes, and other planes of existence. It is all >theoretical and highly speculative. But I've been asked to >express an opinion about it, along with religious belief >systems, so many times, that I included a discussion of >alternative hypotheses, including psychological explanations, in >the last chapter of "The Alien Abduction Files. In the past, >I've refused to engage in this type of speculation, because I >find it uncomfortable. But I have addressed it recently. What >some consider mysticism, others consider science. It is in my >gray basket. But I will discuss what others have hypothesized, >when asked. >I have certainly not thrown western scientific materialism out >the window. I have merely stated that some abduction related >phenomena cannot be adequately explained within the tenets of >our current scientific paradigms. For example, how does one >explain telepathic communication, light orbs, and passing >through solid surfaces? We'd have to state that it is a figment >of one's imagination. Yet, hundreds or thousands of individuals >from around the world have described the same phenomena, in >conjunction with UFO abductions. <snip> Hello Kathleen and Jason, Apologies for interrupting, but recent off-line discussion (yesterday) gave an insight on the 'other dimensions' debate. That is, although I'd always dismissed the thought of other dimensions, re-thinking the premises outlined in 'Flatland' by Edwin Abbott Abbott - see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatland a stark fact leaps out: no inhabitant of Flatland (like us) could imagine or find experimental evidence of other dimensions. Only the intrusion of someone or something from a _further_ dimension could present such evidence (which would appear as a miraculous, paranormal or UFO/ET event). So all my scepticism hits a brick wall there - it's a moot question. Incidentally 'western materialism' is also under question these days - see my note of last month http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2013/may/m13-003.shtml on Dilworth's 'The Metaphysics of Science' (review at: http://tinyurl.com/kn8rnrw That seems to complement other opinions, from many high-placed physicists and logical theorists, that determinism (western materialism) has failed to answer the big questions of cosmology, physics and consciousness - so other approaches should be tried. Cheers Ray D Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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