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Re: Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast

From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul>
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 14:34:42 -0400 (EDT)
Archived: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 05:40:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast


>From: Davidf Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 13:51:41 -0700
>Subject: Re: Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast

>>From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 12:34:12 -0400 (EDT)
>>Subject: Re: Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast

>>>From: Kathleen Marde <Kmarden.nul>
>>>To: post.nul
>>>Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 09:42:26 -0400 (EDT)
>>>Subject: Re: Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast

>>"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
>>from magic." --Arthur C. Clarke

>>So therefore, if the following are true then they are a result
>>of technology.

>>1. Alien telepathy =3D technology

>>2. Alien walking through walls, transporting people through
>>"solid matter" =3D technology

>>3. Alien/UFO invisibility =3D technology

>>4. Alien mind control, warping of human perceptions =3D
>technology

>>5. Alien/UFO interference with machinery, power-loss, etc.,
>=3D technology

>>There's no need to throw "Western science", as you put it, out
>>the window. It only appears like magic but it's technology.
>>Anytime someone talks about a naturally-evolved ability they
>>are unknowingly discussing magic.

>So, Jason, if I were to say that all our sophisticated
>perceptual and human cognitive abilities like sight, hearing,
>logical/deductive reasoning, mathematics, language, music, art,
>etc., etc. are the result of a naturally evolved brain then I am
>unknowingly discussing "magic"? Now you are sounding like a
>creationist.

I apologize for the late reply. Another tornado intruded into
my life. I actually never got this in my inbox.
David, sight and hearing are naturally evolved abilities.
Language, music, art, etc. are inventions; thus, are far
closer to technology.

>Did these abilities evolve or where they artificially and
>deliberately created by an unknown intelligence, therefore
>possibly the result of some technological intervention? By
>logical extension of your argument, you seem to be claiming the
>latter since we currently don't fully understand how a complex
>brain like this is organized or how it evolved. The same is true
>for something like a single living cell. Contemporary science
>has gained a lot of insight into how it might have come about,
>but we still don't know all the steps. Maybe we will never know.
>That doesn't mean somebody who says we still don't understand is
>guilty of "woo-woo" stuff or claiming it is magical.

Sight and hearing evolved. The others are human inventions, just
like human technology. Even though they are inventions they can
still go through a process of evolution with time.

>>Anytime someone talks about
>>science being wrong, not just our current comprehension, but
>>science being wrong, they are unknowingly discussing magic.

>But science has often been wrong, because scientific knowledge
>is always incomplete. Science evolves with new knowledge There
>are innumerable examples. People who challenged the scientific
>paradigms of their day were not discussing "magic" but pointing
>out observed anomalies that didn't fit into contemporary theory.
>Thus Newtonian gravity is not =E2=80=9Cwrong=E2=80=9D, but it is an=
 incomplete
>description of gravity that breaks down when pushed to extremes.
>So does general relativity that replaced it, which doesn't work
>in the quantum realm.

Science has never been wrong. People can and often are wrong.
Multiple people can and do subscribe to incorrect beliefs, even
scientific theories. Science itself is never wrong, just like it
is never right. Science is in fact an invention of humanity that
is most useful in describing and furthering our understanding of
the Universe.

>>Because if it does not fall into the category of science then
>>it's by definition supernatural, magic.

>You are contradicting yourself Jason. On the one hand, you are
>arguing that "they" have technology that we don't comprehend,
>therefore possibly outside current scientific understanding,
>which by your just stated definition making it supernatural or
>magic, but on the other hand you are arguing that it will
>_someday_ be understood by science (a hidden assumption),
>therefore it isn't magic, but if somebody says it isn't
>understood now then you say they are guilty of believing in
>magic, and around and around we go.

One of the more annoying things about humans is that we view
ourselves as existing at the pinnacle of human technological
development. So even though we talk of beings that may be
thousands, if not millions of years more advanced than us, we
still act as if they are going to have technology that we can
easily understand. So when faced with the 'magic' of the aliens,
the natural tendency of we silly humans is to invoke the
supernatural, to chase after nonsense like 'naturally evolved
abilities', and to throw out our science and invoke some
mythical 'super science' which is in fact nothing but a pseudo-
scientific wet dream.

>This came up when you were arguing that alien telepathy _must_
>be a technology, when I said maybe it was, or maybe it was a
>naturally evolved ability, perhaps enhanced by technology, just
>as our own natural abilities such as sight or mathematical
>reasoning can be enhanced by technology.

We are currently in the primitive stages of technological
telepathy. Such form of telepathy does not invoke anything
magical and is not dependant upon us achieving a new
science.
http://tinyurl.com/k4978zu

The article above even mentions "Brain-Machine Interface",
a.k.a., Brain-Computer Interface (BCI), which I have been
practically screaming here since like 2005 or so. The aliens are
using an extremely advanced form of this technology. One that is
apparently wireless and can operate despite large distances. BCI
is associated with so much of alien technology. Telepathy, mind
control, altering of human perceptions, moving things with the
power of the mind, and even navigating the crafts, all of this
involves BCI.

http://tinyurl.com/lyzhh7f

As in the article above, technological telepathy is also called,
synthetic telepathy or artificial telepathy.

>I would probably be skeptical of telepathy/ESP myself except
>that I've had too many spontaneous experiences of my own where I
>have known of something unique and highly unusual happening in
>my near future that came true and other experiences, like a
>strong impression of viewing something unusual a mile away which
>turned out to be true. In more modern parlance, these would
>fall under remote viewing, which was extensively studied by
>Puthoff and Targ. Their remote viewers did things that
>shouldn't be possible under current scientific understanding,
>like locating a crashed plane in the African jungle or a person
>kidnapped by terrorists. That's needle in a haystack stuff and
>hard to write off simply to lucky guesses.

So let's assume that human ESP exists and that humans can
sometimes have psychic or telepathic experiences. All the
research shows this is just passing and sporadic and is not
controllable. What evidence can you point to that proves that
this is the same thing that the aliens are using? Even more
important, why in the hell are you continuing to argue for this
point knowing that we are on the verge of replication
technological telepathy that doesn't have anything to do with
ESP and psychic phenomena. I know you have read my past posts.
You admitted it yourself.

So you know of this technological development. Why are you so
insistent on clinging to "naturally evolved abilities' when it
can be replicated technologically and with far more control and
extended usefulness? If human ESP and telepathy exists it's
sporadic and uncontrollable technological telepathy will be the
complete opposite and would prove far more useful to exploit.
What's preventing you from embracing this? Is it the fear of
losing the "specialness" of humanity?

>I doubt technology has anything to do with this, it is a natural
>ability, picking up some sort of very weak signal out of the
>noise. Some people are better at it. Apparently remote viewing
>can be improved with training. It may be somewhat within our own
>science, perhaps the result of quantum non-locality and a
>multidimensional universe or multiverse where our sensory
>abilities are not totally confined to the 4D space-time universe
>of our day-to-day experience.

Technology has everything to do with this. You can scour the
earth in an attempt to find one psychic who can turn your t.v.
channels for you using their abilities. You can also simply pick
up the remote and click the button. Make your choice.
>This doesn't mean it can't be augmented by technology, which I
>suspect might be the case, like the difference between a radio
>receiver and picking up radio stations on a tooth filling.

Technological telepathy is not dependant, nor has anything to do
with, any alleged ESP or psychic ability of the human mind. Just
like turning on the light switch or switching channels on the t.v.
has nothing to do with the supernatural either. We don't have to
discover the elusive "super science" that the cavemen worship.

I will repeat myself from an earlier post.

If UFOs were proven real to 'mainstream science' tomorrow nobody
would be turning to Ufologists for the answers. Nobody is going
to knock on your door, David. Nobody is going to attack Stanton
Friedman, paparazzi-style. Why? Because you are all cavemen. You
are all shamans in the desert. You are all rainbow-chasers.

Even though mainstream scientists have been the biggest
debunkers they are the only ones to have the mind set to be able
to comprehend UFOs and how to even replicate some of the
technological achievements of the aliens. Let me now paraphrase
Arthur C. Clarke since so many people still have no clue what he
was talking about.

"It's going look like magic. You aren't going to understand it.
You're going be tempted to rush into this or that pseudo-
scientific nonsense but the reality is that it's extremely
advanced technology. So don't be fooled."


-Jason Gammon



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