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Re: Fermi's Paradox Again

From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:08:24 -0400
Archived: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:58:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Fermi's Paradox Again

>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:13:29 -0000
>Subject: Fermi's Paradox Again

>It's said that in 1950, working at Los Alamos National
>Laboratory, the physicist Enrico Fermi was in casual
>conversation with colleagues Emil Konopinski, Edward Teller and
>Herbert York. The men were discussing UFO reports and ET
>possibilities. Then, during lunch Fermi suddenly exclaimed,
>"Where are they?" or "Where is everybody?". He then calculated
>that Earth should have been visited long ago and many times

>Since then that so-called paradox has been used by 'skepti-
>bunkers' as an argument against the existence of ETs or of any
>intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe.

>That argument rests on some unassailable logic (Fermi's),
>followed by shaky assumptions and an even shakier proclamation:


>If intelligent life has arisen elsewhere, then logically -
>1) it is most likely to have arisen in many places;
>2) it is very improbable that humans were the first;
>3) it is extremely likely that some groups are tens or hundreds
>of millions of years more advanced than us.


>1) that such advanced groups would have explored our galaxy;

>2) that such exploration would mean Earth had been visited many

>3) that the 'explorers' would have made themselves known to us,
>either directly or by leaving message(s) to be found by us
>(because each 'visit' might be at intervals of more than a
>million years);


>"... therefore intelligent life cannot exist elsewhere in the

>The falsity of that claim and of the whole 'paradox' can be seen
>if you ask two questions:

>"Do humans bother to 'communicate with' or to 'leave messages
>for' any gnats, ticks or bacteria observed during a country


>"Can gnats, ticks and bacteria 'be aware of' or 'understand' the
>presence of humans?"

>I.e. - a senior US astronomer/astrophysicist recently said that
>if intelligent life exists anywhere else in the Universe they
>would probably see us as "lower than we think of bacteria".

We can add a couple more assumptions...

4) that the 'explorers' have physical forms and live in the
observable physical universe;

5) that our consciousness is an epiphenomenon arising from
complex processes in the brain.

These let us reject a priori the possible independent existence
of non-physical intelligent entities that have been experienced
by the consciousness of otherwise rational people.


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