From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:11:25 -0000 Archived: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 08:02:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Fermi's Paradox Again >From: Alfred Lehmberg <alienview.nul> >To: post.nul >Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:12:59 +0000 >Subject: Re: Fermi's Paradox Again >From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul> >To: post.nul >Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:08:24 -0400 >Subject: Re: Fermi's Paradox Again >From: Jim Deardorff <jimdeardorff.nul> >To: post.nul >Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:25:56 -0700 >Subject: Re: Fermi's Paradox Again >>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> >>To: <post.nul> >>Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:13:29 -0000 >>Subject: Fermi's Paradox Again Hi Jim, William and Albert, Forgive me if I summarize your gists as i) Jim's conclusions from 20th Cent. sightings; ii) William's flagging-up of non- corporeal possibilities; and Albert's knowledge of earlier evidence. Have to agree that Fermi was out of his depth, either not being aware of reports or choosing to ignore them. Looking at the evidence it seems to divide into qualitatively different groups: Astronomical reports by scientists and other qualified observers up to the early 20th Cent. - i.e. before governments had the need and power to suppress them (maybe seen in the work of Charles Fort). I'm referring to reports of large - sometimes very large - physical "things" seen above the atmosphere, often passing in front of the Moon or Sun. They're reported factually and prosaically and seemed to obey the laws of physics as far as motion and appearance goes - although many clearly exceeded our own capabilities, even now. Sightings below the atmosphere, again from ancient times onwards (also featured by Fort) of many different 'craft' - some huge. There's a tinge of 'strangeness' to many, with reports of 'impossible' movements and actions, 'instant' disappearances etc. A case can be made - and is by Vallee et al - that these appearances shift to fit the human pre-conceptions of the day, with mythological entities in the ancient past, complicated mechanical airships seen in the 1800's, and sleek futuristic saucers in the 20th Cent. Where the sightings are also of beings, again they seem to change to suit contemporary expectations - i.e. pantheonic types in ancient times, while more recently (like at Fatima) folk saw religious icons and personages. Lastly there's a huge modern mess of 'weirdness' involving entities at close range - either humanoid or more or less 'alien monsters'. These often seem to disobey the laws of physics, materializing and disappearing, easily passing through walls, barriers etc. They also seem to have psychic effects on witnesses, many reporting a 'life-changing experience' and in fact the event often seems to cause long-term mental and character change in witnesses. I get the impression that folk 'choose to believe in' one of those groups and exclude or ignore the others. What if they're all more or less 'real' perceptions? Fermi - although a gifted physicist, was necessarily a materialistic & deterministic thinker and, as far as these phenomena are concerned, would probably be even more out of his depth today. Cheers Ray D Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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