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Re: Fermi's Paradox Again

From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 21:11:25 -0000
Archived: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 08:02:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Fermi's Paradox Again

>From: Alfred Lehmberg <alienview.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:12:59 +0000
>Subject: Re: Fermi's Paradox Again

>From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:08:24 -0400
>Subject: Re: Fermi's Paradox Again

>From: Jim Deardorff <jimdeardorff.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:25:56 -0700
>Subject: Re: Fermi's Paradox Again

>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:13:29 -0000
>>Subject: Fermi's Paradox Again

Hi Jim, William and Albert,

Forgive me if I summarize your gists as i) Jim's conclusions
from 20th Cent. sightings; ii) William's flagging-up of non-
corporeal possibilities; and Albert's knowledge of earlier

Have to agree that Fermi was out of his depth, either not being
aware of reports or choosing to ignore them. Looking at the
evidence it seems to divide into qualitatively different groups:

Astronomical reports by scientists and other qualified observers
up to the early 20th Cent. - i.e. before governments had the
need and power to suppress them (maybe seen in the work of
Charles Fort). I'm referring to reports of large - sometimes
very large - physical "things" seen above the atmosphere, often
passing in front of the Moon or Sun. They're reported factually
and prosaically and seemed to obey the laws of physics as far as
motion and appearance goes - although many clearly exceeded our
own capabilities, even now.

Sightings below the atmosphere, again from ancient times onwards
(also featured by Fort) of many different 'craft' - some huge.
There's a tinge of 'strangeness' to many, with reports of
'impossible' movements and actions, 'instant' disappearances
etc. A case can be made - and is by Vallee et al - that these
appearances shift to fit the human pre-conceptions of the day,
with mythological entities in the ancient past, complicated
mechanical airships seen in the 1800's, and sleek futuristic
saucers in the 20th Cent. Where the sightings are also of
beings, again they seem to change to suit contemporary
expectations - i.e. pantheonic types in ancient times, while
more recently (like at Fatima) folk saw religious icons and

Lastly there's a huge modern mess of 'weirdness' involving
entities at close range - either humanoid or more or less 'alien
monsters'. These often seem to disobey the laws of physics,
materializing and disappearing, easily passing through walls,
barriers etc. They also seem to have psychic effects on
witnesses, many reporting a 'life-changing experience' and in
fact the event often seems to cause long-term mental and
character change in witnesses.

I get the impression that folk 'choose to believe in' one of
those groups and exclude or ignore the others. What if they're
all more or less 'real' perceptions?

Fermi - although a gifted physicist, was necessarily a
materialistic & deterministic thinker and, as far as these
phenomena are concerned, would probably be even more out of his
depth today.


Ray D

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