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Re: Critique Of Dolan's Sourcing & Conclusions

From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 22:04:58 +0100
Archived: Wed, 15 May 2013 07:39:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Critique Of Dolan's Sourcing & Conclusions


>From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 13:41:31 -0700
>Subject: Re: Critique Of Dolan's Sourcing & Conclusions

>>From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 01:54:37 -0400 (EDT)
>>Subject: Re: Critique Of Dolan's Sourcing & Conclusions

>>>From: J. Maynard Gelinas <j.maynard.gelinas.nul>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>>>Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 12:34:58 +0800
>>>Subject: Critique Of Dolan's Sourcing & Conclusions

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>Unfortunately, without something like recovered craft and bodies
>available for public inspection, anything could conceivably be
>true and we are reduced to speculation.
>There is just no way for ordinary folk like you or I to test
>these ideas.

Hello David, Jason And Maynard,

You can include me in that last sentence - however a Bayesian
analysis of the huge amount of (apocryphal) evidence could
present a thesis (and antithesis) for consideration.

As posted a few years ago:

http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2008/may/m01-012.shtml

Early last century there was an apparent breakthrough among some
thinkers reappraising humans' position in the universe.

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (our image of him was almost wholly created
by  Stalin, his brutal and manipulative successor) met with the
famous `science-fiction' writer H.G Wells in 1920.

Here's the thesis:-

Apparently Lenin told Wells - "I understand this myself when I
read your novel The Time Machine. All human conceptions are on a
scale of our planet. They are based on the pretension that the
technical potential, although it will develop, will never exceed
the 'terrestrial limit'. If we succeed in establishing
interplanetary communication, all our philosophical, moral and
social views will have to be revised. In this case, the
technical potential, become limitless, would impose the end of
the role of violence as a means and method of progress."

And indeed from then onwards, Lenin, who had already campaigned
against anti-Semitism and injustice, began his New Economic
Policy which allowed private enterprise, banned State control of
prices and wages and started democratizing local gov't in Russia
and then in the new Soviet Union (all those innovations were
later  destroyed by Stalin).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin#1920-22

So here comes the antithesis:

Given that some rulers and thinkers - epitomized by Lenin and
Wells - were becoming aware of a new cosmic reality, others -
like Stalin and some newly powerful western rulers - who wished
to retain and amplify the use of violence, would have to
suppress such thoughts in the population, and later, to withhold
and suppress _any_ evidence of (Lenin's) "interplanetary
communication". That might've begun the establishment's habit of
damning all progressive thought as `science-fiction' worthy only
of ridicule, and their blanket denial of all UFO evidence.

Which is where we are right now.

Any really advanced entities, organic or AI, will presumably
have knowledge of other and earlier-discovered `primitives'
ruled by self-appointed thugs, thieves and mass-murderers.
Therefore their approach to communicating with them would
probably _not_ include dealings with such rulers. And much of
the evidence supports this.

But, as Admiral Hill-Norton warned: "There's probably more than
one civilization visiting us, each with different methods and
motives." (paraphrased)


Cheers

Ray D



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