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Dr. York Dobyns' 'Advanced Propulsion' Lecture

From: J. Maynard Gelinas <j.maynard.gelinas.nul>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 19:29:57 +0800
Archived: Wed, 15 May 2013 07:58:59 -0400
Subject: Dr. York Dobyns' 'Advanced Propulsion' Lecture

>From: J. Maynard Gelinas <j.maynard.gelinas.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 12:40:09 +0800
>Subject: Re: Regarding The Citizen Hearing On Disclosure


>Valone's statements pointing to Haisch, A. Rueda, and H. E.
>Puthoff's speculative paper, "Inertia as a Zero-Point Field
>Lorentz Force" as if this proved anything about anti-gravity or
>zero point 'free energy' was downright shocking. That paper is a
>way forward for developing some experimental approaches to
>testing those ideas. It is NOT a proof. It may well be the case
>the Puthoff and other physicists think this could - potentially
>- be possible. And even a very slim minority, like Brian
>O'Leary, who are convinced that it is. But where is the
>experimental proof? Pointing to spooks threatening scientists
>away from research doesn't help here. I was seriously

York Dobyns, of the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research
Project, has a rather amazing video presentation I found off of
the SSE website that I felt I just had to point to here, because
he uses exactly the same Haisch, A. Rueda, and H. E. Puthoff
paper to posit several approaches to violating Newton's 3rd law.
The video is about 40 minutes long.


The whole thing is worth watching, as his set up is important to
understanding the argument, but from about 10 minutes on he
begins with an approach that would use a spinning wheel where
one small portion would be placed between two plates to generate
a Casimir effect that would unbalance centrifugal inertia,
creating a net positive force. He then goes on to look at other
approaches, including one by Professor James Woodward, which
Dobyns appears to convincingly refute.


But there's another he suggests, which would attempt to decouple
intertial force from gravitational force by taking two equal
masses connected by a strut and adding significant pressure to
one but not the other, causing an gravitational but not inertial
imbalance. See slides from 23m30s - 24m. Then, from about 22
minutes in through to 27 minutes, Dobyns argues that given his
two proposed approaches, if one doesn't work the other will,
suggesting that a Newton 3rd law violation is not just possible
but seemingly mandatory. See slide at 26m31s!


I don't doubt I've inadequately explained this. I'm a lay person
to the field and the Dr. Dobyns is much better at giving a
cogent explanation. Watch the video! Of course, there are
caveats, like the propulsive force calculated would be so
minuscule as to be barely useful given current materials
science. But, he suggests, it could be tested as a demonstration
proof of concept. This is so nonintuitive I find it just
astonishing to believe. But... there it is. A real headturner.

Since he cites the paper I so harshly ridiculed previously, I
felt it was only fair to the list to note that I found a
speculative talk by a highly qualified theoretical physicist
that undermines my critique of Dr. Valone. I'll dig some more
and see who else is citing this paper. Perhaps it's really
causing a storm of interest after all. -M

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