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Re: Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast

From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul>
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 12:34:12 -0400 (EDT)
Archived: Fri, 31 May 2013 15:37:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast

>From: Kathleen Marde <Kmarden.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 09:42:26 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast

>>From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 20:31:29 -0400 (EDT)
>>Subject: Kathleen Marden On Coast To Coast

>>On the Coast To Coast show on May 29, Kathleen Marden stated
>>that there are certain characteristics with regard to alien
>>abductions which are reported over and over again and which can
>>not be understood or studied using Western science. Marden may
>>not have realized it but she actually nailed her coffin closed
>>with that segment.


>I think that you have misunderstood and misinterpreted my
>statements. I am certainly well trained in psychology and the
>propensity of humans to confabulate, especially when under
>hypnosis.You are not giving me credit where credit is due. I
>have discussed many of the more troubling aspects of ET science
>and technology with theoretical physicists- those that we cannot
>understand within the tenets of western scientific materialism.
>Dr. John Mack faced the same dilemma. I'm not referring to magic
>or mysticism. I'm speaking of repeating patterns witnessed and
>reported by thousands and documented by Mack, Hopkins, Jacobs,
>Smith, Hynek, Valee, etc. It was not easy for me to move from
>nuts and bolts ufology to acknowledging these troubling aspects,
>but when the evidence became overwhelming, I had to pull my head
>out of the sand and acknowledge that they have indeed been
>reported by thousands of individuals over a 52 year period.

>With regard to the "Commonalities Among Abduction Experiencers
>Study", I spent more than a year on this exhaustive project,
>communicating with 54 experiencers (4 could not complete the
>project), and a 25 person control group of sorts. There were
>choice statistically significant commonalities on 23 of the 45 multiple
>and fill in questions that were not present on a statistically
>significant level among the non-experiencers. The second part of the
>study as not yet been completed, because I haven't been able to
>find the number of participants needed, even though it has been
>widely publicized. It requires knowledge of ET technology observed
>on the craft. Thus far, I've received only positive comments from
>many highly educated individuals, including several PhDs and MDs.

>Perhaps you didn't hear my opening remarks, but I stated that
>"The Alien Abduction Files" is a departure from my usual nuts
>and bolts investigative style. It is not a repeat of "Captured!
>The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience", using more recent
>cases. "The Alien Abduction Files" explores the hearts and minds
>of several experiencers and gives the reader an understanding of
>what it is like to live life as an experiencer. I discuss the
>psychology, the sociology, the characteristics of hypnosis and
>it's propensity toward confabulation, alternative hypotheses,
>etc. This is not a book for the nuts and bolts ufologist, as the
>emphasis is upon social science.

>But I suppose that some people will criticize anyone who departs
>from their own personal belief system. If I feared criticism, I
>wouldn't have engaged in UFO and abduction research and
>investigation at all. Feel free to disagree, but please don't
>rush to criticize my work with only a cursory understanding of
>it or because you don't like my topic.

>Kathleen Marden

Ms. Marden, with all due respect and no offense intended, but at
the end of the show you were discussing "the astral plane",
"astral projection", and "raising one's vibrations". You were
discussing it because that's what your abductees told you, so
therefore it must be right, correct? You have left science
behind and have entered New-Age "woo-hoo" land. However, you can
make a u-turn and come back. I suggest you do so immediately.

I'm sure you are familiar with the phrase, 'cutting off one's
nose to spite their face'. Well, I see this happen over and over
again with regard to researchers who keep tacking extra things
on to the UFO phenomenon. So it's not just that we want
mainstream science to recognize the reality of UFOs. They also
must accept the reality of ESP, Out of Body Experiences, After
Life Communications, and all the additional stuff people tack on
to it. All this does is to make sure mainstream science never
takes the UFO phenomenon seriously.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
magic." --Arthur C. Clarke

So therefore, if the following are true then they are a result of

1. Alien telepathy = technology

2. Alien walking through walls, transporting people through
"solid matter" = technology

3. Alien/UFO invisibility = technology

4. Alien mind control, warping of human perceptions =

5. Alien/UFO interference with machinery, power-loss, etc.,
= technology

There's no need to throw "Western science", as you put it, out
the window. It only appears like magic but it's technology.
Anytime someone talks about a naturally-evolved ability they are
unknowingly discussing magic. Anytime someone talks about
science being wrong, not just our current comprehension, but
science being wrong, they are unknowingly discussing magic.
Because if it does not fall into the category of science then
it's by definition supernatural, magic.

Be very cautious of what you abductees tell you. They will fool
you if you let them. One of their tactics will be to come to you
en mass. You will be more inclined to believe what they are
saying if multiple abductees are reporting it.

However, multiple abductees reporting something does not make
that something real. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a
duck, then it's a duck. If it sounds like woo-hoo, it probably
is woo-hoo, despite how many abductees are saying it.

Finally I want to point you in the right direction with regard
to something. In the show you mentioned the abductees report
some kind of tragedy that will effect the earth in the future.

This is an extremely common report from abductees. Usually
abductees are made to watch a screen that shows various
scenarios. The key thing to recognize is that abductees are all
shown different scenarios. Some are shown earthquakes. Some are
shown fires and explosions, some are shown asteroids or comets,
some are shown nuclear disasters, some are shown environmental
disaster caused by man.

The key thing to note is that they are all different. Many
abductees fell as if they were "downloaded" with information
concerning this event. So my advice to you is not to take
abductees or even the aliens at face value. Because the
scenarios are all different I would suggest that what is
occurring may be not what we think. The scenarios may simply be
a cover for mind-control of some form, with the "downloading" of
information being like a Manchurian candidate of sorts that when
triggered they will respond as they were programmed to. The
programming could be for anything, really, but is more than
likely for something the abductee will not know of.

If you attempted to press them for answerers you will likely get
confabulation. I would just like you to realize this is far more
complex than many think. One more thing, the aliens are control
freaks who want complete control over the abductee during an
abduction. Is there anything to suggest that they are not being
controlled or at least influenced in their normal lives as well?
What would that imply for the relationship between abductee and

-Jason Gammon

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