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Re: "Thought" Definition

From: Albert Baier <albertgbaier.nul>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:41:43 -0500
Archived: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 09:16:30 -0400
Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition

>From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:42:12 -0400
>Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition

>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:59:05 -0000
>>Subject: "Thought" Definition

Ray, William,

Not being an Anglophile, I had to look up 'pillock' :)

The AI camp has been predicting great things for almost 60 years
now, yet the central goal of creating an analog of the human
brain has remained elusive. Even the most rabid AI person would
likely have a problem with Dr. Pillocks redefinition of
'thinking'. If you define 'intelligence' as an SAT score, then
Watson is certainly 'intelligent'. Is Deep Blue 'intelligent'
because it beat a human chess player?

Devising accurate definitions of 'thinking','intelligence',
'consciousness', etc. has yet to be done. How about 'intuition'
and 'creativity'? This is why I have no faith in the predictions
of the AI camp. More computing power isn't the answer, but it's
a convenient excuse. Can we build a cybernetic organism some
day? No doubt. Will it be conscious and aware like a human
being? Not likely. Intuition and creativity can't be programmed
into a machine. The outcome of those processes is something new
and previously unknown.

As a jazz musician, I've studied the creative process for
decades. The old aphorism, "Jazz can be learned, but it can't be
taught" is certainly true. Mozarts music came out fully
realized, with no editing or experimentation. This is like a
jazz solo; instant creation. I've never met any jazz musicians
who can explain what they do. Only after I accepted that fact
that it's an intuitive process, was I able to produce solos with
form and structure that were new and creative. Intellect leads,
intuition follows. (Bill Evans)

Advances in computer programming have certainly been remarkable,
but to call them 'intelligent' is quite a stretch. Isn't it
ironic that those advances came about through human creativity?

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