From: Albert Baier <albertgbaier.nul> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:41:43 -0500 Archived: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 09:16:30 -0400 Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition >From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul> >To: post.nul >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:42:12 -0400 >Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition >>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> >>To: <post.nul> >>Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:59:05 -0000 >>Subject: "Thought" Definition Ray, William, Not being an Anglophile, I had to look up 'pillock' :) The AI camp has been predicting great things for almost 60 years now, yet the central goal of creating an analog of the human brain has remained elusive. Even the most rabid AI person would likely have a problem with Dr. Pillocks redefinition of 'thinking'. If you define 'intelligence' as an SAT score, then Watson is certainly 'intelligent'. Is Deep Blue 'intelligent' because it beat a human chess player? Devising accurate definitions of 'thinking','intelligence', 'consciousness', etc. has yet to be done. How about 'intuition' and 'creativity'? This is why I have no faith in the predictions of the AI camp. More computing power isn't the answer, but it's a convenient excuse. Can we build a cybernetic organism some day? No doubt. Will it be conscious and aware like a human being? Not likely. Intuition and creativity can't be programmed into a machine. The outcome of those processes is something new and previously unknown. As a jazz musician, I've studied the creative process for decades. The old aphorism, "Jazz can be learned, but it can't be taught" is certainly true. Mozarts music came out fully realized, with no editing or experimentation. This is like a jazz solo; instant creation. I've never met any jazz musicians who can explain what they do. Only after I accepted that fact that it's an intuitive process, was I able to produce solos with form and structure that were new and creative. Intellect leads, intuition follows. (Bill Evans) Advances in computer programming have certainly been remarkable, but to call them 'intelligent' is quite a stretch. Isn't it ironic that those advances came about through human creativity? Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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