From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 00:03:52 -0000 Archived: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 09:18:24 -0400 Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition >From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul> >To: post.nul >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:42:12 -0400 >Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition >>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> >>To: <post.nul> >>Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:59:05 -0000 >>Subject: "Thought" Definition >>Hello List, >>Today was idly listening to 'The Museum of Curiosity' - a >>somewhat jokey BBC R4 radio program >>http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03f92qc <snip> >>He claimed that when the robot 'body' sends such info to the >>neuronic 'brain', which then responds by apparently ordering >>some movement or other reaction by the 'body' - then that >>fulfils the definition of conscious "thinking", and "reacting" >>like a human. >>I'm not so sure. >Even with the fuzzy definition of consciousness that most people >have, I'm pretty sure few would say that a thermostat is >conscious. Hi William, Nicely put. The simple algorithm enacted by the thermostat = temperature falls - switch on / temperature rises - switch off. The strong AI hypothesis says that merely increasing the complexity of that algorithm to similar to our brain-complexity will bring it [the thermostat] to a point where it _is_ conscious. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_AI_hypothesis#Strong_AI That dilemma - whether to define consciousness by 'behaviour' (strong AI) or by 'essence' (Chinese room) is almost exactly duplicated in the schism presently tearing apart the fake science called psychiatry. I.e a representative of the Division of Clinical Psychology (UK) flatly states "psychiatric diagnoses are not valid". An account of the schism, including that quote and more hurtful ones, is outlined in this discussion at HuffPost Science: http://tinyurl.com/qj8u8ds Cheers Ray D Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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