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Re: "Thought" Definition

From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 00:03:52 -0000
Archived: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 09:18:24 -0400
Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition


>From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:42:12 -0400
>Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition

>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:59:05 -0000
>>Subject: "Thought" Definition

>>Hello List,
>>Today was idly listening to 'The Museum of Curiosity' - a
>>somewhat jokey BBC R4 radio program
>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03f92qc

<snip>

>>He claimed that when the robot 'body' sends such info to the
>>neuronic 'brain', which then responds by apparently ordering
>>some movement or other reaction by the 'body' - then that
>>fulfils the definition of conscious "thinking", and "reacting"
>>like a human.

>>I'm not so sure.

>Even with the fuzzy definition of consciousness that most people
>have, I'm pretty sure few would say that a thermostat is
>conscious.

Hi William, Nicely put.

The simple algorithm enacted by the thermostat = temperature
falls - switch on / temperature rises - switch off.

The strong AI hypothesis says that merely increasing the
complexity of that algorithm to similar to our brain-complexity
will bring it [the thermostat] to a point where it _is_
conscious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_AI_hypothesis#Strong_AI

That dilemma - whether to define consciousness by 'behaviour'
(strong AI) or by 'essence' (Chinese room) is almost exactly
duplicated in the schism presently tearing apart the fake
science called psychiatry.

I.e a representative of the Division of Clinical Psychology (UK)
flatly states "psychiatric diagnoses are not valid".

An account of the schism, including that quote and more hurtful
ones, is outlined in this discussion at HuffPost Science:

http://tinyurl.com/qj8u8ds


Cheers

Ray D



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