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Re: "Thought" Definition

From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 16:25:34 -0400 (EDT)
Archived: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 12:17:22 -0400
Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition

>From: Albert Baier <albertgbaier.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul>
>Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:41:43 -0500
>Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition

>Ray, William,

>Not being an Anglophile, I had to look up 'pillock' :)

>The AI camp has been predicting great things for almost 60 years
>now, yet the central goal of creating an analog of the human
>brain has remained elusive. Even the most rabid AI person would
>likely have a problem with Dr. Pillocks redefinition of
>'thinking'. If you define 'intelligence' as an SAT score, then
>Watson is certainly 'intelligent'. Is Deep Blue 'intelligent'
>because it beat a human chess player?

>Devising accurate definitions of 'thinking','intelligence',
>'consciousness', etc. has yet to be done. How about 'intuition'
>and 'creativity'? This is why I have no faith in the predictions
>of the AI camp. More computing power isn't the answer, but it's
>a convenient excuse. Can we build a cybernetic organism some
>day? No doubt. Will it be conscious and aware like a human
>being? Not likely. Intuition and creativity can't be programmed
>into a machine. The outcome of those processes is something new
>and previously unknown.

>As a jazz musician, I've studied the creative process for
>decades. The old aphorism, "Jazz can be learned, but it can't be
>taught" is certainly true. Mozarts music came out fully
>realized, with no editing or experimentation. This is like a
>jazz solo; instant creation. I've never met any jazz musicians
>who can explain what they do. Only after I accepted that fact
>that it's an intuitive process, was I able to produce solos with
>form and structure that were new and creative. Intellect leads,
>intuition follows. (Bill Evans)

>Advances in computer programming have certainly been remarkable,
>but to call them 'intelligent' is quite a stretch. Isn't it
>ironic that those advances came about through human creativity?



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-Jason Gammon

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