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Re: "Thought" Definition

From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 12:52:10 -0000
Archived: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 08:00:17 -0400
Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition

>From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 17:10:57 -0500 (EST)
>Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition

>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 22:51:19 -0000
>>Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition


>>As Roger Penrose asked - "who's going to volunteer to be

>Yes, John #1 will die. Disregarding any pain from trauma, the
>death process itself is rather painless.


>>iii) the mind and body are more intricately inter-linked than
>>we usually realize. Recall how your mood/optimism/views are
>>entirely different after a good meal? Or after physical
>>exercise, danger or sex for that matter?


Hi Jason

Further analysis is making that 'immortality' ambition look even

As you've admitted, the 'upload' or 'translation' of a
personality copy into a machine of some sort is just a way of
committing suicide, as far as the human is concerned. You can't
copy neuron patterns and their electron fields without
destroying the original.

In addition, for now and the foreseeable future, we have to
expect flaws, to a greater or lesser extent, in the copying
process. So the resulting 'personality' in the machine will be
damaged, distorted and possibly even psychotic.

Is society going to allow autonomous and (possibly) psychotic
machines to freely wander around among humans - adults and


At the most I could expect that some static (definitely
immobilized) machine-personalities _might_ be stored in a secure
vault, maybe with visits from vetted adults who are known to be
stable (because they have regular checks) and who are _not_
impressionable in the least.

And that those machine-personalities would be allowed only a
text interface with their visitors. That's because even an
audio-visual interface could be a dangerous weapon if controlled
by a psychotic machine-intelligence with massive memory and
computing power - and unknown motives.

Their motives will be unknown and unknowable because, with no
physical feedbacks - 'rewards' and 'punishments' from a long-
dead physical body - the already damaged personality in the
machine will certainly deteriorate pretty fast, in any number of

All in all that's not an attractive prospect for an 'immortal'


Ray D

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