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Re: "Thought" Definition

From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul>
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 01:32:46 -0500 (EST)
Archived: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 08:13:40 -0500
Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition


>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>To: <post.nul>
>Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:47:05 -0000
>Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition

>>From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 01:23:03 -0500 (EST)
>>Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition

>>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>>To: <post.nul>
>>>Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 20:12:29 -0000
>>>Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition

<snip>

>>>BTW - You can see I've just balanced and opposed your
>>>'materialist' idea of the mind with a non-material concept
>>>(quantum field) - which might be unavailable and unacceptable
>>>to a machine-body.

<snip>

>>The technology does not require the identification of the state
>>of of a photon anymore than it requires the death of the host.
>>Think of it like a phone tap. In a phone tap a third party is
>>able to receive the information without hindering the
>>information from traveling to the proper party.
<snip>

>Hi Jason,

>a) Just for fun - let's accept your premise of a material basis
>of 'mind'. The human, with only a material mind, whether any
>attempt is made at copying or not, will die at some stage. For
>the material-minded human the death experience must be real -
>and final. I.e. that human would know nothing more.

>Any putative mind-copy (or simulation) inhabiting a machine-body
>would be a new 'personality' and go on to develop in ways we
>have no knowledge of. In fact, from the very first minute or so,
>it would be an alien species.

>b) Now let's examine the present evidence for saying that the
>mind is more than the sum of its material brain-cells. Some of
>the evidence of non-locality (the probable existence of the mind
>in the quantum field _around_ the brain) is provided by Duggins
>et al at:

>http://www.isc.cnrs.fr/FPAR.htm#Duggins

>"... Visual consciousness must then be considered non-local and
>inseparable: the microconsciousness does not exist".

>As sort-of confirmation, that non-local quantum field also seems
>to be used by plants (for near 100% photosynthesis efficiency),
>insects (for bees' navigation and geo-communication) and maybe
>most other animals (navigation etc. again), which is a strong
>indication that an organic living 'mind' is needed to access it.

>BTW - there seems to be a possibility that the immaterial 'mind'
>or 'consciousness' existing in the quantum field could be
>immortal! Note: I found that to be unbelievable when first
>presented with the idea some years ago - reading John W Dunne's
>remarkable book 'The Serial Universe'. It makes a good case for
>a form of immortality for an observing consciousness, regardless
>of the apparent 'death' of its material body and brain. I've
>read and re-read the book and can't find an obvious flaw in his
>reasoning (however, be warned - it needs some mental
>gymnastics).

>And here's the latest assertion, as reported in the
>'Independent', which comes at it from a slightly different angle:

>http://tinyurl.com/lq3jxbk

>"Is there an afterlife? The science of biocentrism can prove
>there is, claims Professor Robert Lanza"

I lean toward this reality being artificial. We could be living
inside a virtual reality universe. If we are living inside a
virtual reality univeres, say living inside an ultra-advanced
computer then there could be a form of immortality available to
humans when they die. However, it's also possible that a
technology can be invented within this virtual reality universe
that would also prove a more functional form of immortality, i.e
machines within machines, the type of immortality I am referring
to with regard to the filiment-growing bb.

Ray, your tendency toward magical thinking is quaint but without
a firmly developed back-drop to your concept of natural
immortality, such as the one I provided about or reality
actually being an artifical or virtual reality univese, then
it's simply not, should I say worthy of consideration. It would
reside in faith.

I would strongly argue that humanity really needs to listen to
the transhumanists who are attempting to help humanity
comprehend and accept that this body is merely a vessel, that
what is truly important is the consciousness, the mind. It's
impotant humanity adapt to the new reaity before it become a
reality. Because if humanity is not prepared then we could end
up with a scenario that, let's just say isn't best for humanity
in the long run.


-Jason Gammon



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