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Re: "Thought" Definition

From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 19:24:30 -0000
Archived: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 15:39:00 -0500
Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition

>From: Jason Gammon <boyinthemachine.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 01:32:46 -0500 (EST)
>Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition

>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:47:05 -0000
>>Subject: Re: "Thought" Definition


>>As sort-of confirmation, that non-local quantum field also
>>seems to be used by plants (for near 100% photosynthesis
>>efficiency), insects (for bees' navigation and
>>geo-communication) and maybe most other animals (navigation
>>etc. again), which is a strong indication that an organic
>>living 'mind' is needed to access it.

>>BTW - there seems to be a possibility that the immaterial
>>'mind' or 'consciousness' existing in the quantum field could
>>be immortal! Note: I found that to be unbelievable when first
>>presented with the idea some years ago - reading John W Dunne's
>>remarkable book 'The Serial Universe'. It makes a good case for
>>a form of immortality for an observing consciousness,
>>regardless of the apparent 'death' of its material body and
>>brain. I've read and re-read the book and can't find an obvious
>>flaw in his reasoning (however, be warned - it needs some
>>mental gymnastics).

>>And here's the latest assertion, as reported in the
>>'Independent', which comes at it from a slightly different

>>"Is there an afterlife? The science of biocentrism can prove
>>there is, claims Professor Robert Lanza"


>I lean toward this reality being artificial. We could be living
>inside a virtual reality universe. If we are living inside a
>virtual reality univeres, say living inside an ultra-advanced
>computer then there could be a form of immortality available to
>humans when they die. However, it's also possible that a
>technology can be invented within this virtual reality universe
>that would also prove a more functional form of immortality, i.e
>machines within machines, the type of immortality I am referring
>to with regard to the filiment-growing bb.

>Ray, your tendency toward magical thinking is quaint but without
>a firmly developed back-drop to your concept of natural
>immortality, such as the one I provided about or reality
>actually being an artifical or virtual reality univese, then
>it's simply not, should I say worthy of consideration. It would
>reside in faith.

Hi Jason,

That 'magical thinking' labelling won't do at all.

Although uninformed folk might think of the quantum field as
'magical', it's the only way to explain material bodies, either
as (relatively) rigid solids, fluid liquids or dispersing
gasses. Newtonian or Relativity physics don't cover the cohesion
of matter.

So the quantum field exists as the working concept which
describes how your body and brain cells hold together _and_ how
their elementary particles interact and exchange energy -
usually via photons of one sort or another (including 'virtual
photons' - which however have 'real' effects).

At every stage of quantum discovery scientists have been faced
with 'impossible' results which prove to be true and inevitable,
so they've had to accept not understanding the 'real reasons'
behind quantum behaviour. I.e. the basic reality of the universe
is still unknown to us.

Depending on one's assumptions there are several interpretations
of what quantum physics tells us about the real universe. See the
Wiki page:


Your 'virtual reality matrix', although I've seen it described a
few times, doesn't seem to be in that Wiki list, even if you
follow the 'quantum mysticism' links.

So, for a down-to-earth engineering type like me, we're stuck
with what we actually know: a universe of anti-intuitive quantum
effects and their various interpretations, maybe even including
the apparently reasonable hypothetical extrapolations of Dunne
and Lanza.


Ray D

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