From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 14:50:50 -0500 Archived: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 10:18:26 -0400 Subject: Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing >From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> >To: <post.nul> >Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 18:11:55 +0100 >Subject: Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul> >>To: post.nul >>Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 09:22:31 -0500 >>Subject: Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing >>>From: Vincent Boudreau <vincentboudreau.nul> >>>To: post.nul >>>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:26:49 -0400 >>>Subject: Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing ><snip> >>>Me think accusing some one of "conspiracy theory" is in itself >>>a conspiracy against the pursuit of truth. >>>Let's just address the facts, shall we? >>The problem with an argument like this is that in effect it >>denies the existence of the psychological/social/political >>phenomenon of conspiracy theories, in other words >>paranoia-based, empirically unjustified allegations about public >>misdeeds and their causes, of the sort that been documented all >>through history (or that you can hear from any barstool ranter). ><snip> >Hi Jerry, >And the trouble with your argument is that, while we've all >heard of paranoid schizos (yet they seem very rare in this neck >of the woods - wonder how many there _really_ are?), in reality >the most paranoid folk around are those with stuff to lose. And >that's mil-sec and politicos. >Here's a quote I wrote some time ago: >"It seems that, if we don't know what a thing is, we humans are >inclined to make up explanations and believe the worst. So >obsessive gov't secrecy has bad effects in the citizenry. >However because politicos, judiciary, financiers, security/cops >and media are notoriously ignorant of reality (the working >world, how to think constructively, and even of real science), >our rulers get more and more paranoid - and therefore even more >obsessively secretive. That's a vicious circle." >The backstory to that observation is at: >www.perceptions.couk.com/mil-time2.html#else >and it includes a barstool ranter (although he was a bit quieter >than that). Hi, Ray, I guess I don't grasp the relevance of this to the point I made, which is that (1) real official misconduct occurs and (2) empirically baseless claims grounded only in the paranoid imagination only cloud a real issue. Conspiracy theorists, by the way, now accuse America's leading conspiracy theorist Alex Jones of promoting absurd conspiracy theories in order to the discredit "real" conspiracy theorists at the behest of even more sinister conspirators whom Jones serves as a paid agent. The moral of the story: Once you enter the rabbit hole, there's no escape. In the context of ufology, cranks and extremists diminish the impact of serious research into genuinely unexplained UFO reports. I don't think they're part of any conspiracy -- well, beyond the usual conspiracy of dunces. Then, of course, the U.S. government _could_ be in collusion with evil aliens, and President Eisenhower _may_ have been working for the Soviet Union, and President Obama _may_ be an Islamic terrorist. And also, I could be a CIA or Illuminati operative trying to snow everybody on this UpDates for dark purposes. Hell, I may even be an alien. Just try to prove I'm not. Cheers, Jerry Clark Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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