From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 16:49:47 +0100 Archived: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 08:53:59 -0400 Subject: Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul> >To: post.nul >Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 14:50:50 -0500 >Subject: Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing >>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> >>To: <post.nul> >>Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 18:11:55 +0100 >>Subject: Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing <snip> >>"It seems that, if we don't know what a thing is, we humans are >>inclined to make up explanations and believe the worst. So >>obsessive gov't secrecy has bad effects in the citizenry. >>However because politicos, judiciary, financiers, security/cops >>and media are notoriously ignorant of reality (the working >>world, how to think constructively, and even of real science), >>our rulers get more and more paranoid - and therefore even more >>obsessively secretive. That's a vicious circle." >>The backstory to that observation is at: >>www.perceptions.couk.com/mil-time2.html#else >>and it includes a barstool ranter (although he was a bit >>quieter than that). >I guess I don't grasp the relevance of this to the point I made, >which is that (1) real official misconduct occurs and (2) >empirically baseless claims grounded only in the paranoid >imagination only cloud a real issue. <snip> Hello Jerry, You - and the rest of us - are going round in circles. From my last you know I acknowledge the existence of _some_ baseless conspiracy theories, often owing their origin to lack of information (including the lack of an adequate education - which is true even of many scientists, as Lee Smolin showed). You also know - from Vincent's list and my quotes - that a great many actual major conspiracies exist, and you might also know that basic Bayesian analysis therefore strongly indicates that many more actual major conspiracies are presently unknown to us - i.e successfully covered-up. No-one has any idea of the ratio of real to unreal conspiracies - because the total number of real ones is unknown, while the unreal ones are loudly identified and repeatedly trumpeted-at by mainstream media (I suspect that some or many unreal conspiracy theories are invented by the MSM as "yuk-yuk" stories - and / or to muddy the waters or 'poison the well' as Vincent said). You can see there's no solution to the problem - i.e. that many or most actual 'real' conspiracies will remain unknown to us. So calling an idea a 'conspiracy theory' doesn't detract in any way from its likelihood of being true. Cheers Ray D Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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