From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 08:16:46 -0500 Archived: Fri, 04 Oct 2013 06:04:05 -0400 Subject: Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing >From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> >To: <post.nul> >Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 16:49:47 +0100 >Subject: Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul> >>To: post.nul >>Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 14:50:50 -0500 >>Subject: Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing >>>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> >>>To: <post.nul> >>>Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 18:11:55 +0100 >>>Subject: Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing ><snip> >>>"It seems that, if we don't know what a thing is, we humans are >>>inclined to make up explanations and believe the worst. So >>>obsessive gov't secrecy has bad effects in the citizenry. >>>However because politicos, judiciary, financiers, security/cops >>>and media are notoriously ignorant of reality (the working >>>world, how to think constructively, and even of real science), >>>our rulers get more and more paranoid - and therefore even more >>>obsessively secretive. That's a vicious circle." >>>The backstory to that observation is at: >>>www.perceptions.couk.com/mil-time2.html#else >>>and it includes a barstool ranter (although he was a bit >>>quieter than that). >>I guess I don't grasp the relevance of this to the point I made, >>which is that (1) real official misconduct occurs and (2) >>empirically baseless claims grounded only in the paranoid >>imagination only cloud a real issue. ><snip> >Hello Jerry, >You - and the rest of us - are going round in circles. >From my last you know I acknowledge the existence of _some_ >baseless conspiracy theories, often owing their origin to lack >of information (including the lack of an adequate education - >which is true even of many scientists, as Lee Smolin showed). >You also know - from Vincent's list and my quotes - that a great >many actual major conspiracies exist, and you might also know >that basic Bayesian analysis therefore strongly indicates that >many more actual major conspiracies are presently unknown to us >- i.e successfully covered-up. >No-one has any idea of the ratio of real to unreal conspiracies >- because the total number of real ones is unknown, while the >unreal ones are loudly identified and repeatedly trumpeted-at by >mainstream media (I suspect that some or many unreal conspiracy >theories are invented by the MSM as "yuk-yuk" stories - and / >or to muddy the waters or 'poison the well' as Vincent said). >You can see there's no solution to the problem - i.e. that many >or most actual 'real' conspiracies will remain unknown to us. >So calling an idea a 'conspiracy theory' doesn't detract in any >way from its likelihood of being true. Ray, Since there doesn't seem much of substance to respond to, allow me to mention recent data that underscore my point. Here's a new poll showing how widespread conspiratorial thinking has become in society, in this case American society. (I would hope for greater sanity in other Western democracies, by the way, though I know that the conspiratorial imagination is not a solely American ill.): http://tinyurl.com/on64b4g Conspiracy theories, which as I've repeatedly observed have nothing to do with real-life misdeeds and conspiracies, are the magical thinking of the paranoid and the poorly informed. They amount to political pornography; they have as much to do with real-life policy and governance as pornography has to do with real-life sexual behavior. In that regard, It's not hard to imagine that some conspiracy theorists believe pornography is the product of documentary film-making. A democratic state awash in paranoid fantasies faces a worrisome future. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd suspect that the promotion of wild-eyed conspiracy theories is a plot to draw attention from real conspiracies. These days, sadly, the rabbit hole that leads to Conspiracy Wonderland is packed. Jerry Clark Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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