From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 09:55:23 -0500 Archived: Sun, 06 Oct 2013 20:53:59 -0400 Subject: Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing >From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> >To: <post.nul> >Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 12:21:30 +0100 >Subject: Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul> >>To: <post.nul> >>Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 08:16:46 -0500 >>Subject: Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing ><snip> >>Conspiracy theories, which as I've repeatedly observed have >>nothing to do with real-life misdeeds and conspiracies, are the >>magical thinking of the paranoid and the poorly informed. They >>amount to political pornography; they have as much to do with >>real-life policy and governance as pornography has to do with >real-life sexual behavior. In that regard, It's not hard to >imagine that some conspiracy theorists believe pornography is the >product of documentary film-making. >>A democratic state awash in paranoid fantasies faces a worrisome >>future. ><snip> >Jerry, >Your message was opinions, from you and the MSM, presented as >facts. >The real facts, from Vincent's lists and my quotes, are clear: >i) there are many real and proven major national and >international conspiracies; >ii) an unknown number of conspiracies, maybe a majority, are >still secret - successfully covered-up; >iii) establishments, via control of mass media, try to >stigmatize any investigator or whistle-blower by claiming they >are `conspiracy theorists' and therefore not believable (a real >non sequitur, since any suspicion of a conspiracy is by >definition a `theory'); >iv) periodically media hacks - directly or indirectly paid or >controlled by MSM and establishments - re-hash that `conspiracy >theory' canard as if it were true and therefore dangerous to >society. >What could be more dangerous than the real and proven >conspiracies - many murderous and often war-mongering, and _all_ >designed to keep the public in ignorance - that we already know >about? >And don't forget there _is_ an unknown number of conspiracies in >existence that we can only suspect or guess at. Hi, Ray, The item I cited was a poll conducted by a reputable professional organization with a good track record. It was not something made up by agents of a sinister conspiracy. tt certainly comports with my personal experience. It's one reason I try to stay out of bars. The joints, I learned long ago, are lousy with conspiracy theorists. That's one reason the phrase "barstool ranter" was invented. I know that it's a standard talking point among conspiracy theorists - whose ability to detect actual conspiracies is minimal on its best days, though no one would question their capacity to spot imaginary ones - that you have the right to theorize about conspiracies, the wilder the better, without being called a conspiracy theorist. The rest of us politely disagree. My view is simple: if you don't want to be called a conspiracy theorist, don't be one. An old friend of mine puts it best: "In an odd way, the conspiracy nuts are more optimistic than I am: if there were just a specific group rationally planning and causing all the world's ills, theoretically it could be hunted out and destroyed. On the other hand, I believe the world is full of idiots and incompetents who will inevitably f*ck things up." In any event, I have now repeatedly violated my longstanding personal belief, learned through hard experience, that it is futile to argue with someone inclined to conspiracy theories. I leave it to UpDates readers to judge who has the better of the argument, and I move on. Meantime, whenever I read your UpDates posts in the future, Ray, I will remember where you're coming from. Before I leave, however, here's the earlier mentioned essay by the late Richard Hofstadter, well known to all of us who were trained in the study of history and politics. Of course, it goes without saying that those who taught us were agents of the conspiracy. http://tinyurl.com/kxh6fdh Jerry Clark Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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