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Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing

From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 09:36:31 -0400
Archived: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 11:26:16 -0400
Subject: Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing


>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 16:10:30 -0500
>Subject: Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing

>>From: William Treurniet <wtreurniet.nul>
>>To: post.nul
>>Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 09:58:39 -0400
>>Subject: Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing

>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
>>>To: post.nul
>>>Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2013 15:25:19 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: The Conspiracy Of Conspiracy Theorizing

><snip>

>>>To think that I started this thread intending to protect the
>>>good name of ufologists against the false charge that serious
>>>interest in UFOs renders one a conspiracy theorist... I'd hate
>>>to think I was wrong, but so far the evidence on UpDates -
>>>though I realize from a very small percentage of Listfolk -
>>>suggests I may have been excessively charitable.

>Your real quarrel is not with me but with historians,
>journalists, prosecutors, political scientists, and others who
>have rejected conspiracy theories as a useful explanation for
>political and social phenomena. I suggest you take your beliefs
>to them.

>They can explain to you why Jews, Catholics, Masons, Communists,
>Illuminati, and other conspiracy favorites are not in charge of
>the world.

>As is often said of pornography, conspiracy theories are hard to
>define, but one knows one when one sees one. Too many moving
>parts, for one, with shaky evidence trying to cover for shaky
>speculations. As I've also noted, conspiracy theories amount to
>the political equivalent of pornography.

>There is a considerable literature, written by historians,
>psychologists, folklorists, journalists, and others, on
>conspiracy theory and its pathologies. You should read some of
>that, but I know you won't, alas. I guess you prefer demonology.

Obviously, Jerry has a different definition of "conspiracy
theorist" than I do, and that would explain why we are talking
past each other. For him, it is a pejorative term, while for me
it is nothing more than descriptive. So if I believe that there
is a group effort to hide certain facts about UFOs from the
public, then I am a conspiracy theorist and I don't attempt to
hide that. It seems Jerry would be offended if anyone accused
him of the same.

At this point, anybody who has any ideas at all about why things
happened on 9/11 is a conspiracy theorist. That includes
adherents to the officially sanctioned theory, since evidence in
its favour was never provided.

I like the approach of Dr.  Judy Wood, who has written a book on
_what_ happened without speculating on the _why_. Her observed
anomalies should open the door to a proper forensic analysis
which might answer the _who_ and _why_ questions.

I would certainly not want Jerry's psychologist, folklorists,
journalists, political scientists, and historians to do that
analysis. These people probably wouldn't even recognize Isaac
Newton's name. For the same reason, I would not expect such
people to give an authoritative opinion on whether a UFO's
appearance or behaviour was anomalous.

>Enough.

Yes, at least until we can agree on the definition of what is
being discussed.


William



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