From: Albert Baier <albertgbaier.nul> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 12:10:00 -0500 Archived: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 06:15:03 -0400 Subject: Re: Are We Observing ETI Without Realizing It? From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> To: <post.nul> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 12:21:23 +0100 Subject: Are We Observing ETI Without Realizing It? <snip> >energy flows might actually be a sign of Kardashev Type I or II c>ivilizations actively milking stars for power. <snip> Ray, I love it when scientists (or philosophers :) toss numbers about, as though it may give credence to their speculations. I'll toss some numbers about: 1. Energy consumed by us on Earth: 4 * 10^12 Watts 2. Energy produced by Sun: 10^26 W I couldn't find the figures for total Suns energy received by Earth, but it is about 1400 W/sq.meter. Estimates I've seen indicate the the Suns energy received by Earth is thousands of times greater that our present consumption. Many people are working on making solar power more efficient, and this is good, but not enough folks are working on systems to recover energy from the vacuum (ZPE), which, in theory, contains infinite energy. (for an explanation of the vacuum, see my reference to Don Hotsons work in this list) Since there is ~zero theoretical support for techniques for extracting energy directly from stars, and significant support for ZPE, I would suggest that advanced civilizations would use ZPE for their energy needs. The speculation about energy flows and 'Kardashev civlizations' is as unlikely as a bacterias rotating flagellum forming by chance. >As you might know, my opinion is that's what most psychiatrists >want - to stop you thinking. I would venture to say that any objective view of humanity indicates that we stopped thinking a long time ago. :) Albert BTW: I actually agree with one of Vidals ideas, i.e. "...that something has always existed...". I don't want to read all 366 pages of Vidals ideas, as he seems to be throughly grounded in Institutionalized Science. For example, he associates Intelligent Design with religion and God, a classic anti-ID strawman argument. The actual situation is that Science and Religion differ little, if at all. Not worth a read. Read Hotson instead. Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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