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Re: Are We Observing ETI Without Realizing It?

From: Albert Baier <albertgbaier.nul>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 12:10:00 -0500
Archived: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 06:15:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Are We Observing ETI Without Realizing It?


From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul>
To: <post.nul>
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 12:21:23 +0100
Subject: Are We Observing ETI Without Realizing It?

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>energy flows might actually be a sign of Kardashev Type I or II
c>ivilizations actively milking stars for power.

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Ray,

I love it when scientists (or philosophers :) toss numbers
about, as though it may give credence to their speculations.

I'll toss some numbers about:

1. Energy consumed by us on Earth: 4 * 10^12 Watts

2. Energy produced by Sun: 10^26 W

I couldn't find the figures for total Suns energy received by
Earth, but it is about 1400 W/sq.meter.

Estimates I've seen indicate the the Suns energy received by
Earth is thousands of times greater that our present
consumption.

Many people are working on making solar power more efficient,
and this is good, but not enough folks are working on systems to
recover energy from the vacuum (ZPE), which, in theory, contains
infinite energy. (for an explanation of the vacuum, see my
reference to Don Hotsons work in this list)

Since there is ~zero theoretical support for techniques for
extracting energy directly from stars, and significant support
for ZPE, I would suggest that advanced civilizations would use
ZPE for their energy needs. The speculation about energy flows
and 'Kardashev civlizations' is as unlikely as a bacterias
rotating flagellum forming by chance.

>As you might know, my opinion is that's what most psychiatrists
>want - to stop you thinking.

I would venture to say that any objective view of humanity
indicates that we stopped thinking a long time ago. :)


Albert

BTW: I actually agree with one of Vidals ideas, i.e. "...that
something has always existed...".

I don't want to read all 366 pages of Vidals ideas, as he seems
to be throughly grounded in Institutionalized Science. For
example, he associates Intelligent Design with religion and God,
a classic anti-ID strawman argument. The actual situation is
that Science and Religion differ little, if at all.

Not worth a read. Read Hotson instead.



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