From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:16:12 +0100 Archived: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 06:34:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Are We Observing ETI Without Realizing It? >From: Albert Baier <albertgbaier.nul> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <post.nul> >Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 12:10:00 -0500 >Subject: Re: Are We Observing ETI Without Realizing It? >>From: Ray Dickenson <r.dickenson.nul> >>To: <post.nul> >>Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 12:21:23 +0100 >>Subject: Are We Observing ETI Without Realizing It? ><snip> >>energy flows might actually be a sign of Kardashev Type I or II >>civilizations actively milking stars for power. <snip> >Many people are working on making solar power more efficient, >and this is good, but not enough folks are working on systems to >recover energy from the vacuum (ZPE), which, in theory, contains >infinite energy. (for an explanation of the vacuum, see my >reference to Don Hotsons work in this list) <snip> >The actual situation is that Science and Religion differ little, >if at all. <snip> Hi Albert, Yup, have to agree with much of that and commented on the modern 'science/religion' situation earlier: http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2013/jan/m13-003.shtml And, while as you say, that Vacuum Energy does _appear_ to be infinite, would recommend care. I've long had a sneaky feeling that other 'constants' might depend on the ZPE - when viewing it as a form of 'ether', and posted a caution to that effect some time ago: http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2011/nov/m23-008.shtml Here's extracts: "Should we even try at this stage of our development? Don't forget that any meaningful experiment of ours will be instantly detectable across the Galaxy, and maybe the Universe. [Maybe that's the qualification for the Galactic Club - being able to use the 'Ether' without destroying your home planet?]" and "If the most advanced civilizations are aware of any such dangers (and we should expect them to be), would a Galactic Police Force immediately react to a primitive group (like us) messing with the thermostat?" Cheers Ray D Listen to 'Strange Days... Indeed' - The PodCast At: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/program/ These contents above are copyright of the author and UFO UpDates - Toronto. They may not be reproduced without the express permission of both parties and are intended for educational use only.
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