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Re: Important 1961 NICAP Report Solved

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark.nul>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 09:57:22 -0500
Archived: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 10:11:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Important 1961 NICAP Report Solved


>From: Herb Taylor <herbufo.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 08:08:30 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: Important 1961 NICAP Report Solved

>>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>>To: <post.nul>
>>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 13:38:45 -0300
>>Subject: Re: Important 1961 NICAP Report Solved

><snip>

>>As your writer has already discovered, this is still unsolved.
>>Not sure why you say that he claimed it was.

>I informed Printy of your comments re this 1961 Pacific Ocean
>report, and after citing several compelling reasons that made
>your arguments unsustainable, he stated the following;

>"I consider this case probably solved and only consider it not
>100% because I don't have a launch time. I would bet it probably
>was 15-30 minutes before the sighting."

>BTW, you state that one of the aircrews sighted the object for a period
>of ten minutes. This is grossly in error. The teletype says that the
>pilot sightings were for a period of six minutes.

>Also, everything about this sighting cries out IFO, and the
>descriptions given basically conform to that of a rocket launch.
>Printy spent several pages in SUNlite 5-5 showing precisely why
>a Soviet ICBM rocket launch was almost certainly the correct
>explanation for this report.

>Your comments did little to dispel them, and failed to prove
>otherwise.

So your role on UpDates is to pass on - always without the
faintest hint of doubt or independent analysis, of course -
anything that's handed you on a plate from the object of your
latest debunker crush? I'd ask if you have any pride left, but
that would be only a rhetorical question.

I fear that the above shows, again, that you are unable to think
or argue for yourself, that all we learn from you is that you've
found the True Faith from an infallible prophet who you believe
reads Scriptures correctly. Your trajectory is one familiar to
anybody who knows psychology and history: the repeatedly
demonstrated transition by certain personality types from one
extreme to its opposite (e.g., a far-left fanatic who becomes a
far-right goofball, a naive fundamentalist who is transformed
into atheist activist, each devoted to the new faith as he had
been to the old) No one would ever accuse you of nuanced
thinking, I'm afraid, or skepticism by any but the crudest
ideological definition.

Your chest-thumping sermons, invariably based on the teachings
of some debunker who had won your current affections, were a
major reason I left the P-47 list. I hope I'm not forced to do the
same at Updates. So far, I'm not hopeful.

On UpDates, like many regular contributors, I don't agree with
some other Listfolk and am happy to engage in vigorous exchanges
with them. The difference between them and you is that they're
thinking for themselves and arriving at their own conclusions
(however erroneous they may be in my opinion), and I respect
them for that. You, on the other hand, are just a messenger boy.

Then again, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you can surprise us all by
making as the subject of your next post a scorching examination
of how the mighty Tim Printy completely blew it when he attempted
to dismiss this or that puzzling UFO case.

Consider that a challenge, Herb.


Jerry Clark




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